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The Defence of the Shipping Industry Act
Simon_LeviDate: Monday, 10 May 2010, 4:02 PM | Message # 1
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Wheras the recent Commerce Council regulations concerning the ships of Ravak and Larben have prohibited the purchase of these illegal ships, produced in line with no regulations, morals or standards.

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Wheras the legitimate companies who adhere to regulations are put at a commercial disadvantage by these illegal producers of ships.

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Wheras Ravak and Larben shipyards have shown themselves abundantly unwilling to take the steps required for chartered company status in any New Republic Jurisdiction.

The Economics Council proposes the following prohibitions against Ravak and Larben.

Possession of ships constructed by Ravak and Larben shall be henceforth Illegal. Ownership of such a vessel by a private operator shall result in the seizure of the vessel an unlimited fine.

Planetary Government Ownership of Ravak and Larben ships shall be made Illegal, any Ownership of these vessels in operating condition shall result in their confiscation. All currently owned vessels must be turned over to New Republic Authorities 7 days from the passing of this act.
Any non-member world on an Affiliate, Observer or Ally Status shall have this status removed and shall be labeled by the Diplomatic Corps as "Belligerent" if it does not comply with this act, and shall be deemed unsuitable for membership until it complies with this legislation.
Any member world not in compliance with this act shall have the vessel confiscated by the Federal Authorities, and shall be liable to an unlimited fine.
Any private citizen not in compliance with this act shall be liable to 5 years in Federal Prison, seizure of the vessel and an unlimited fine.

Furthermore vessels produced by Ravak and Larben found in New Republic space shall be considered to be illegal vessels, and as such may be seized by Federal or Planetary Forces if they come into contact with such a vessel, then turned over to the Home Fleet for observed dismantlement.

All assets of Ravak and Larben will be frozen, wherever they are found, and the company shall be nationalised by the New Republic, as such all material assets, designs etc, shall become the property of the New Republic.

Any individual found to be a Shareholder, Employee of Ravak and Larben shall have an arrest warrant issued automatically for them, and will be charged with the appropriate crimes when arrested. Any individuals willing to turn evidence on the company may be offered immunity from prosecution.


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Ponc_GavrisomDate: Monday, 10 May 2010, 5:10 PM | Message # 2
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While this measure is fairly draconian, I am convinced there is a pressing danger and safety hazard posted by these vessels to the good, honest citizens of the galaxy, as well as the problem of this shipyard being beyond the law. As such I vote in favour.

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Mical_de_CrionDate: Monday, 10 May 2010, 5:35 PM | Message # 3
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A matter I have spoke of many times, is the hardship our shipyards may begin to see now. My sector's own premier shipyard has suffered, and I do not want to see that happen to any others. It is independent shipyards such as this company that undercut the hardworking shipwrights of the galaxy, and our dock workers. I vote In Favor as well.

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LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 10 May 2010, 6:15 PM | Message # 4
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Is this a joke, gentlemen? If it is, then it is in poor taste. Senator de Crion, do you know that, to date, only two worlds, my own and the unaligned world of Baltimn, have purchased from Ravak & Larben Enterprises? Do you also know that the aforementioned worlds have only purchased a single ship from this corporation? This is hardly a cut against any other shipyards out there.

President Gavrisom, I would take this time to point out that the measure proposed by Senator Kruus is beyond draconian. I have it on good authority that the owners of Ravak & Larben Enterprises are cooperating directly with Senator Cambrist. They have already gained New Republic identities and are in the process of ratifying their company. As such, you are bringing action upon New Republic citizens.

I wish to hear from Senator Forte, Governor Oswaldt and a number of the other Senators before any further action is taken. This is simply rediculous. I vote against this tyrannical measure.


Lomen Ryuun
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Senator_CambristDate: Monday, 10 May 2010, 6:45 PM | Message # 5
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The Commerce Council will consider this measure closely, as any impositions upon private enterprise, such as this one, should be enacted only if it is prudent and, indeed, necessary to do so. Senator Kruus may well be correct, however, that it is both prudent and necessary. I must state for the record, however; Senator Ryuun, in his unusual, persistent advocacy for this particular company, is correct that the organization has taken certain steps with the Ministry of Commerce to become recognized as a legitimate, commercial entity. I must correct Senator Ryuun, however, that although Messrs. Ravak and Larben have been issued identification cards, as I understand, these cards do not identify them as New Republic citizens. However, this is not an impediment to their application.

What is an impediment to their application, and seems to have stalled it for the moment, is that they appear to be a species from a planet with which science is not familiar. It may be necessary, therefore, to place a hold on the application until a more general diplomatic and cartographic survey can be conducted of the species and the place of residence of these beings, to verify the information they have provided to us about their company, assets, and so on. I believe, also, that there may be an NRI investigation into the company that is ongoing, in which case the application would be delayed for this reason as well.

However, I see no reason why debate of this measure cannot proceed in the meantime. I do believe the Senator from Neimoidia raises a number of valid and, indeed, worrisome points that are worthy of discussion.




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Cul-utaanForteDate: Monday, 10 May 2010, 7:14 PM | Message # 6
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Senator Ryuun, consider it a temporary measure until we have completed the investigation into the company. Should they be brought into the New Republic, this law would not apply to them. I vote IN FAVOR. I'm curious Senator, should you not be affiliated to this company as you say you are not, and having only one ship that the resale of which could easily replace...what is the source of such anger and frustration? It's as if we levied economic sanctions against Druckenwell.

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Tremaine_FowlkesDate: Monday, 10 May 2010, 8:46 PM | Message # 7
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I believe this proposal have its ups and downs. Before I start voicing my opinion out on this matter, I would like to say that I believe Senator Kruus have a good intention behind the proposal. I do think that The Defence of the Shipping Industry Act would encourage the companies to keep themselves in check. This can also be a good use to combat the piracy, due to stricter regulations, which means more routine inspections. Obviously, this would make things harder for the pirates to slip by and dock a ship in a New Republic shipyard. I believe that’s the upside of the proposal. However, the downside to the proposal is the fines may be little too high and the authority that could be enacted by the New Republic authorities may be little too strict. It can also encourage more boycotting from a few companies, or even encourage the piracy to rise. Here’s the following amendment I would like to propose:

IF Ravak and Larben or any other companies (including private operators) are in possession of ships constructed that violates the following regulations, I propose a three-strike policy—
First strike-A highly charged but reasonable fine
Second strike-New Republic authorities suspend all the operations until everything is brought up to code.
Third strike-New Republic authorities effectively shut down all the operations permanently, and then the authorities will have a power to decide whether to have it stay or let someone else take over the particular company by selling it to the purchaser.

Planetary Government Ownership of Ravak and Larben or any other companies ships that are considered illegal, only First strike shall apply. With the fines varying on types of illegal modifications being made, in addition to enforcing the supposed Planetary Government to follow everything up to the code.

All companies that operate outside the New Republic have any of their products (in this particular case, ships) being docked at any New Republic shipyard must go through a stricter routine inspection. IF caught with illegal modifications, the supposed company will be fined with a highly reasonable fine and be denied future admission until everything is brought up to code.

Any member world not in compliance with this act shall have the vessel confiscated by the Federal Authorities, and will be closely monitored in the future purchase of ships.
Any private citizen not in compliance with this act shall be liable to 3 years in Federal Prison, and 2 years of Probation after Prison Term.

As of the assets being frozen and every Shareholder to be arrested…IF they are really cooperating with Senator Cambrist, then I believe we should adopt a wait-and-see approach and allow Senator Cambrist to cooperate with Ravak and Larben to ensure everything goes through smoothly.

I vote IN FAVOR of my amendment.

Tremaine Fowlkes,
Senator of Mowgle


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LomenRyuunDate: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 7:07 AM | Message # 8
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Senator Forte, I am against this bill as it is far too tyrannical a motion. Senator Fowlkes at least has an amendment that makes it more tolerable. I simply believe that many of these extreme measures are unfounded. If, say, half of the New Republic worlds owned one or more vessel from Ravak & Larben Enterprises, even I would see it as a problem.

Whether or not the resale of the vessel would cover a replacement is part of the issue. There is nowhere I saw in Senator Kruus' bill that mentions sale. Simply reposession by the New Republic for dismantling. That's hardly acceptable.


Lomen Ryuun
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Simon_LeviDate: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 7:14 AM | Message # 9
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Ha! Compensation for those who knowingly bought shoddy ships from an unregistered company, which does not adhere to safety regulations, employment law, ship construction regulations or pay tax!?

I laugh with scorn. Those who deal with these unpatriotic and illegitimate cads deserve nothing less than swift prosecution, and should consider themselves lucky to avoid prison for their dealings.

Senator Ryuun.. one cannot help notice your continued advocacy of Ravak and Larben...


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LomenRyuunDate: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 8:56 AM | Message # 10
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Shoddy vessels? I believe, Senator Kruus, that Druckenwell's vessel was purchased long before any legislation was drawn up against the company. As well, I don't believe you own a ship produced by Ravak & larben, so you can hardly call them shoddy. If anything, it is a fine, sturdy vessel. But I digress.

You seem to call anyone who isn't directly affliated with the New Republic unpatriotic. Would Sienar, then, be considered unpatriotic? They produced for the empire in the past. Kuat Drive Yards produced Star Destroyers, yet the New Republic fields these same ships.

As for my advocacy of the company, Senator, I simply think it could be a benefit to the new republic, if given the chance. Would you willingly throw away a possible ally? Only a fool would do so.


Lomen Ryuun
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Simon_LeviDate: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 9:10 AM | Message # 11
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Senator Ryuun.

The Economics Council has had drawn to its attention over a dozen vessels produced by Ravak and Larben which have abhominable safety standards, and very shody alloys used in their construction.

Sienar is a company which has been in the past associated primarily with, yes, the Empire, however it has had branches operating within the New Republic for a great deal of time, and its primary center is on a New Republic member world. With the opening of trade with the New Republic the branches of the companies have again merged, and I am happy to be a shareholder of Santhe/Sienar Technologies.

Kuat does produce Star Destroyers, and Kuat is also a proud member of the New Republic, one which has contributed greatly to the success of our Republic. There is nothing wrong with buying Kuati.

I do say it is unseemly to purchase vessels, as a planetary Government, from outside of the New Republic, when there are perfectly good dockers who are our citizens who deserve the work more than outsiders. What private citizens choose to purchase is their own business, but I know most good citizens prefer to BUY REPUBLIC, or atleast from worlds with a trading charter with us.

What is unpatriotic, illegal and frankly evil, is to send men onto ships built with no independent safety standards, ships which may well have been built by slave labour, or in other insentient conditions. No Mr Ryuun, it disgusts me that a New Republic member world would by dodgy blackmarket ships and put decent, hardworking dockers out of work.

As for their possibility as an ally.. I believe I have covered it.. what need to we have of shady, law breaking black market shipbuilders, who sell weapons of mass destruction to the highest bidder, do not pay tax, and may well be slaveholders as our allies, I would sooner see them rotting in a jail.


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LomenRyuunDate: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 11:03 AM | Message # 12
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Once again, Senator Kruus, I point out that shoddy is hardly a word for their vessels. The battlecruiser purchased by Druckenwell has had no troubles in the slightest with operation or craftsmanship.

Your calling of a corporation that is currently seeking to ratify itself as a legal business with the New Republic a black market company is rather odd. If they were illegal, would they truly be opening their doors to the New Republic? Not likely. Would they sell to the Imperial Remnant instead? Quite likely. As these actions have not been undertaken, I hardly see the need to hurl unfounded accusations.

If it pleases you to buy Kuati, do so, Senator. If you are proud to be a Sienar shareholder, then I applaud you. That is no right to deny another company which, I feel, will soon be quite legal, the right to sell their product. If in fact you feel the dockworkers are running low on business, why doesn't Neimoidia contract a few ships to be built?

Until I see further proof of wrongdoings such as slavery and the like, I can't accept your assumptions as valid.


Lomen Ryuun
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Simon_LeviDate: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 11:11 AM | Message # 13
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I believe the Imperial Remnant also has strict chartering procedures, in many cases even stricter. I would personally not have a problem with a company choosing to operate with our friends in the Remnant.

This company will never be legal, I am quite confident in saying that. Unless it opens its ledgers, personnel and facilities to a full economics committee investigation.

Essentially Mr Ryuun.. you think it is okay for an institution, with no affiliation to a inter-planetary organisation or planet, to create weapons of mass destruction and sell them to the highest bidder? to create starships with no oversight or safety inspections?

You are making appauling clear that you lack any form of patriotism or moral fibre if you would let an unlicensed black market (and yes I will use that word, black market.. for what else is a shipyard which builds ships no questions asked) shipyard produce weapons of mass destruction without oversight.


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LomenRyuunDate: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 11:20 AM | Message # 14
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Technically speaking, I believe the Death Star would be a weapon of mass destruction. I have here one of Ravak & Larben Enteprises' catalogs. To me, their vessels marketed seem quite reasonable. A strike cruiser, a frigate, a battlecruiser and a fighter design. Hardly weapons of mass destruction. Next you'll be saying blasters are weapons of mass destruction, no doubt.

Tell me this, Chairman of the Economics Council: you state that the company will never be legal unless it opens itself to an Economics investigation. Say, for the sake of argument it does. I do not believe you would be able to be on the investigating committee, seeing as how biased you are against it. You haven't even met the owners yet.

On top of that, you make remarks against my character? Patriotism comes in many forms, Senator. I am hardly unpatriotic if I choose to buy a well-made, cost-efficient product. If it is a safety issue, then no doubt when the company becomes legal, I'm sure they will accept a safety oversight.


Lomen Ryuun
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Simon_LeviDate: Tuesday, 11 May 2010, 11:27 AM | Message # 15
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Mr Ryuun..

Your Ravak and Larben ship has the capacity to flatten cities, islands, continents or worlds even given enough time. It is undoubtedly a weapon of mass destruction. A blaster rifle cannot commit a BDZ, your vessel can. And while I do not criticise a planet for maintaining this level of firepower, I merely believe oversight should be required in the creation of such a weapon.

The decision as to whom heads an investigation is a matter for my Committee to decide, and not one for the Senator of Druckenwell to debate.

As for not meeting the owners, I never met Emperor Palpatine.. I know him to be an evil being. As such I believe these creators of weapons of mass death, who accept no oversight, to be evil men.


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