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The Restoration of Rightful Governance to Baltimn Resolution
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Thursday, 27 May 2010, 10:38 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Following my prior remarks with regard to the planet Baltimn and its government, I propose the following resolution: 1. Appalled at the massacre of innocent men, women and children at the estate of Duke Drasek Cale on Baltimn, the New Republic Senate calls upon the planet Baltimn to bring Mr. Cale to swift trial for the crimes of which he is accused. Furthermore, the New Republic hereby places a bounty of 1,000,000 credits for the apprehension and delivery of Duke Cale to Baltimn for this purpose. 2. Recognizing that the government of Baltimn, of which Ambassador Stomwell is its representative, enjoys the popular support of the people of that planet who, in recent, free and fair elections, have chosen this very government to preside on Baltimn, the New Republic Senate regards this government as legitimate and instructs the Chief of State and the New Republic Diplomatic Corps to formally recognize it as such. The Senate, furthermore, condemns the attempts of Senator Kruus of Neimoidia to undermine the sovereignty of this world and its government. 3. Condemning the "Motion of Condemnation for the School of Hidden Wisdom Massacre," which passed the Senate in haste without timely consideration of its disregard for constitutional principles (such as the presumption of innocence and the right of a people to choose their own government), the New Republic Senate repudiates this former resolution and declares that this current resolution shall assume precedence over it. 4. Wishing to represent the talents of its many, distinguished poets, the New Republic deems that the title of "Poet Laureate of the New Republic" shall have a set term of 6 months, at which time the Senate shall choose a new being for the position. Furthermore, no two beings of the same species may hold the title in succession. I vote in favor.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 27 May 2010, 10:54 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Senators, I apologize for my recent absence in these honored halls. I have been busy seeing to legislation on Druckenwell that will bring much more strict anti-pollution laws to our planet. It is my hope that this bill will be presented to the Senate in the near future. That being said, I heartily concur with Senator Vanden's motion. His wisdom benefits us all. In regards to part one, Druckenwell wishes to see all lawbreakers brought to justice and will offer an additional one-hundred thousand credits to the bounty. In regards to the rest, I agree fully and Druckenwell votes in favor.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Ponc_Gavrisom | Date: Friday, 28 May 2010, 1:30 AM | Message # 3 |
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| I feel that I cannot with all good grace vote for this motion at a time where it is laced with personal attacks on the Senator from Neimoidia, and that it is contradicting the previously expressed will of the Galactic Senate. As such I vote against this motion, as I also intend to vote against Senator Kruus' similar motion and table my own, more moderate proposal to allow a middle ground for all New Republic Citizens. As such I vote against.
Ponc Gavrisom
Chief of State
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 28 May 2010, 6:37 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Dantooine already has a motion on the floor in favour of war, the time for words is over, the proud warriors must be able to work their trade on the cowards on Baltimn. I vote against.
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 28 May 2010, 8:17 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I move that Senator Tiure be charged with slander by calling all Baltimnites cowards and that he be fined for warmongering and seeking senseless violence where none is needed.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Friday, 28 May 2010, 9:00 AM | Message # 6 |
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| Baltimnites are cowards! It is a well known fact. If you look at the Dantooine Dictionary... Baltimnite: See: Yeller
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 28 May 2010, 12:02 PM | Message # 7 |
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| And another issue of slander on Senator Tiure! Senators, President, I implore you to call Senator Tiure to order. The Dantooine dictionary, if there is such a thing, is hardly acceptable here.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Saturday, 29 May 2010, 2:02 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Its not slander if its true, Senator. If Baltimn wishes to bring a charge against me in the courts then I would welcome it. Until then I stand by the Dantooine Dictionary's Definition.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Saturday, 29 May 2010, 1:00 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I'm reluctant to interrupt this amusing exchange between Senator Tiure and Senator Ryuun, but to return to Senator Vanden's resolution I must vote thoroughly against it. What's more, I am disappointed to see this sort of character assassination from the Senator from Naboo directed to, of all people, the good Senator from Neimoidia, a noted philanthropist, writer, and Poet Laureate of the New Republic, whose only motive in this instance is, without doubt, his compassion for the people of Baltimn and a desire that both he and I share to see these people, and all people everywhere, free from despotic rule.
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Sunday, 30 May 2010, 12:13 PM | Message # 10 |
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| I agree with Senator Vanden's proposal, thus I vote in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Sunday, 30 May 2010, 1:17 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Mr. President, there are no "personal attacks" in this measure and, Senator Cambrist, nor is there "character assassination." I assume the misconception arises from Section 2, which "condemns the attempts of Senator Kruus of Neimoidia to undermine the sovereignty of [Baltimn] and its government." With all due respect to Senator Kruus, I do not believe there is any doubt that he has so undermined the planet Baltimn. I will grant, however, that the word "attempts" presumes that he has done so deliberately. I believe that he has done so deliberately, and that he has forfeited the benefit of the doubt when he refused, twice, to address the sensible concerns about his proposals regarding Baltimn.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Sunday, 30 May 2010, 1:57 PM | Message # 12 |
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| I believe the President refers to article 4 in the attempt to slip into this legislation a change in the tenure of the Poet Laureate that is not relevant to the bulk of the act, and is not on the topic of Baltimn. It would also seem to show a lack of resolve, and indeed an example of flip-flopping for the Senate to one week condemn a government by a majority, the next week recognise it by a majority, especially when that Government has invaded our space within the past few days. To surrender to the implicit threat of further violence would be cowardly in the extreme, the New Republic will not let itself be bullied by Baltimn, and it must stand firmly resolved to instill on Baltimn the knowledge that the New Republic is not just a "talking shop" but a serious organ of galactic will. Before we move to re-recognise Baltimn, we must first see the change that the New Republic Senate has demanded not one week ago be installed into legislation on Baltimn, at the very least.. as the Chief of State's Act demands. As such until: - Holding a free and fair referendum to be observed by New Republic Monitors to verify if the popular will is pro-membership.
- Recognises it has no right to interdict ships outside its territory and issues a full and comprehensive apology for such an action.
- Ceases wasting the Senate's time relating to motions relating to the handling of mail, which would be more appropriately dealt with elsewhere. We will never support restoring recognition to a world which has a government dangerously out of touch with reality and sanity, equalled only by their lack of touch with their own populace. Allow me to quote the New Republic's Anthem "The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.".. while it may harsh at this time, it for the good of the people of Baltimn that their Government not be recognised until it makes the changes needed for their own good, the changes which will allow it to become one of us in these hallowed halls of democracy. I personally express my love for every Citizen of Baltimn, but we must pay the price of not having Baltimn as one of us, in our embrace, until its Government takes the actions required for the public good which will give it the virtue and honour to become a member world of the New Republic. As such, with love for the people of Baltimn, with respect for their heritage and traditions, with disgust for their Government with no respect for the Sovereignty of the New Republic and lack of respect for their people, I vote Against this motion, and I would vote Against a thousand times if I could.
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Sunday, 30 May 2010, 2:24 PM | Message # 13 |
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| I see nothing objectionable about Section 4. The New Republic should represent the talents of as many of its poets as possible. I feel, as many do, that the title of Poet Laureate should be an inclusive, rather than exclusive one. It belongs to the people far more so than to the being who holds the title, whoever he, she, or it is. With respect to the previous resolution, to which Senator Kruus refers—the Senate "approved" the resolution only insofar as the vote was closed on it while many votes were still outstanding, awaiting your response to the dire constitutional objections that were raised to it. This is not representative of a majority of the Senate. The fact remains, Senator, that the government of Baltimn that you call "dangerously out of touch with reality and sanity," and "[out] of touch with its own populace," is, in fact, the government that was chosen by that very populace. I do not defend Baltimn's government. I defend the right of a people to choose their own government, and not have it chosen for them. Whether you or I like that government, whether we agree with it, or whether it displeases us or incurs upon us is not relevant. It is what it is; the elected government of Baltimn, and it should remain so even as we await the fresh election that President Gavrisom has called for.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Tuesday, 01 Jun 2010, 9:39 AM | Message # 14 |
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| The title of poet laureate is nothing to do with "The Restoration of Rightful Governance to Baltimn Resolution", it is simply Senator Vanden attacking a non-political office I hold as a veiled personal attack on myself, he cares not for art, for patriotism, but seemingly only for senseless assaults on myself. Senator Vanden, while you may not approve of it, the motion was passed by the Senate, and does have force of law. To rescind such a motion within a week is a simply schitzophrenic action to take. Whether it was chosen by the people of Baltimn or not, it clearly is no longer representative of their views, no more than the Empire was representative of the views of the average citizen.. but it was chosen by them. Baltimn has shown no signs of moving to follow the Chief of State's demands, and has instead fussed about the post and participated in an unsubtle attempt to fake the death of Drasek Cale. It seems likely that if Neimoidia does not intervene, the people of Baltimn will overthrow their government in the next few hours. I pose the question to Senator Vanden, should Neimoidia deploy forces to protect the Government of Baltimn, elected by the people of Baltimn but having lost touch with sanity? Or should it allow the government to be toppled by what may well turn out to be a regime who are indeed much worse?
Moff of the Tammuz Sector
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 01 Jun 2010, 12:58 PM | Message # 15 |
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| You ask, should Neimoidia land these forces there and defend this government or that, and I answer, with respect, that Neimoidia should mind its own business. If the government of Baltimn requests the assistance of the New Republic and, of course, if the Senate consents to this, then the New Republic shall render assistance as it sees fit. I say again that the fate of Baltimn does not or, at any rate, should not rest in Neimoidia's hands. If Neimoidia is so interested in Baltimn because of the credits that Baltimn owes it, I remind the Senator that come what may, those credits can be recovered in the courts. In the meantime, I see no reason for Neimoidia to meddle in the destiny of Baltimn. President Gavrisom has called for restraint on Baltimn. I, for one, respect this. I would point out, also, Senator, that you are continuing to demonstrate a misunderstanding or, perhaps, a disregard of democracy. If the Senate chooses to repudiate your resolution, that is democracy. If the people of Baltimn choose a government that is not to your liking, that is democracy. Whether or not it pleases the Senator from Neimoidia is not relevant. As for Article 4 of this resolution, I believe it has the merit to stand as a motion unto itself. Therefore, I have removed it from this resolution and will re-introduce it this afternoon as a separate motion. I trust this will satisfy the concerns of Senator Kruus, Senator Cambrist, and President Gavrisom that there are no "personal attacks" in this resolution.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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