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Hostilities at Acherin
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 10:21 AM | Message # 1 |
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| It would be charitable of me to say that it appears certain members of this body have misconstrued the purpose of the Acherin Resolution, and interpreted the "authorization of the use of force" to mean that anyone can now use force against the planet as if its a private playground. I demand that Senators Kruus, Cambrist and Bo'var explain why their respective fleets have blockaded the planet "in the name of the people of the New Republic and the will of the Senate," and explain how usurping the power of the New Republic to determine its own foreign policy can possibly be done in its own name? I do hope you realize you are committing, at best, an act of war against this world, and possibly something far worse. The policy of the New Republic is still to pursue its diplomatic options with the planet Acherin, however as a result of these actions by certain, unauthorized members, who apparently do not understand the implications or the consequences of their actions, I feel it is now necessary to immediately deploy the New Republic's 4th Battle Group to the Acherin System, with troop compliments sufficient to secure the planet, protect its people, and maintain law and order if it is necessary to do so. I would expect that Acherin's government would work with us in this instance, should it occur. I reiterate my demand that the Senators in question explain themselves, and on the presumption that their explanation is going to be inadequate, I will call upon them to cease and lift their blockade upon the arrival of New Republic forces. Eli Fitzgerald
Chief of State
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 3:19 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Chief of State. Allow me to quote the text of the Acherin Resoluton 'To allow these atrocities to continue, is a failure of everything we, the galactic government, stand for. Too much has been allowed, and this world should stand among the most oppressive and brutal of Remnant worlds. We can not turn a blind eye to this. I urge my fellow delegates to support this measure, and should this measure pass, quick enforcement of it.' The New Republic's armed forces are spread thin, and every day we allow the trade in arms and illicit precious metals to go back and forth between Acherin and the Pentastar Alignment is another day the regime grows stronger. Is another day that our enemies are allowed to tighten their grip on this world. Senators, we have no intention of using force against Acherin, or its people, we only have the intention of cutting off the illegal trade in arms for metals that runs. It is the duty of the New Republic itself to fight the Empire and its puppet government for this world, we only act to defend the people of Acherin and their right to freedom. Raising a blockade has ever been a way of peacefully objecting to the policies of a government, in a tradition that stretches back through time to the old Republic and beyond. Senators, this is not some cavalier action, it is several legitimate governments and organisations taking cooperative action to defend the rights of oppressed citizens. In in no sense is this usurping any power Senators, this is not being done for profit (indeed I expect the costs to be rather high), this is not done for power, this is done to help others. I would like to bring the tone of the rhetoric down a little, and discuss this like gentlemen... Senators... really... every day this world is not blockaded, another thousand blasters can be brought to that world, another cargo of proton torpedos, of turbolaser components... every day weapons are brought there, not to only be used on their own people, but to be used on our own people. Several of my own children are serving with the New Republic military, and I as a father will do everything that is within my power to help them. Is not more just to prevent this illicit trade in arms now? To cut off the source of blasters and munitions before even more are allowed to slip into the hands of those who would without the slightest second thought empty the clip of that blaster at a New Republic Infanteer. We are not cutting off legitimate trade in food, medical supplies etc, we are simply preventing what may be a difficult war with Acherin from being able to develop into a long and bloody one. I call upon Senator Cambrist to make a statement regarding the blockade.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 7:42 PM | Message # 3 |
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| I agree completely with Senator Kruus on this matter, and I believe that the Chief of State might be considering Senator Forte too narrowly, or shall we say, too diminutively (as it is understandable that one might do, upon first glance). But with closer study of Senator Forte's resolution, and the very principles of planetary sovereignty and autonomy that the good Chief of State does so often espouse--and commendably so--it is clear that Brentaal, Neimoidia and the IMC are indeed operating in accordance with the will of the Senate, and the people of the New Republic whom the Senate represents. Not to mention, as Senator Kruus explained most eloquently, we are acting in opposition to a brutal, Remnant-friendly regime and depriving it of the danger of its imports, and the bounty of its exports. But first, the resolution. As the title suggests, it is an authorization for the New Republic to use force against the Acherin government, for the reasons quite well stated, and reiterated by Senator Kruus. Are Brentaal and Neimoidia not New Republic worlds? Is the IMC not a member of the New Republic? And are we not threatened as much as the entirety of the New Republic by the Acherin menace? To quote the Chief of State from just last month, with regard to the Dantooine assault: "When any one of our worlds suffer, we all suffer. When any one planet is attacked, it is a threat upon us all." It is a powerful statement that the New Republic stands as the sum of its parts, all working together both for our self interests, and our common interests. But if this statement is true at all, it must also be true in reverse; that the New Republic stands for the parts that constitute it, to represent the interests of each world as well as the common interest. Surely, that harmonious union is why we are all here; to contribute the bounty of our worlds to the Republic, and to have the Republic reciprocate and contribute its bounties upon its members. And what is true of its bounties, is also true of its powers and responsibilities. And so, when the Senate passes a resolution authorizing the New Republic to use force, and calls for its "quick enforcement," it is an authorization, nay, a obligation of memberworlds to consider whether their own security or interests are at risk, and if so, whether they indeed have a responsibility to use force themselves. Because a threat upon the Republic is a threat upon us all, and this, surely we can agree, we must not abide. So what is the threat, you might ask, that Acherin poses to Brentaal specifically, or Neimoidia or the IMC that requires us to act in our self defense? There is, of course, the security threat; that planet and its regime simply cannot be allowed to continue stockpiling weapons that might well be used against the very New Republic soldiers (volunteers from every world, including ours) that you are now rightfully sending there, Mr. Fitzgerald. But Acherin has also, as you have noted, censored its Holonet and limited free trade through its borders. Surely, crimes against communications and crimes against commerce are crimes committed upon the whole galaxy! We are all affected, and we are all threatened. I do hope this explains why we have a responsibility to blockade Acherin, until such time as the planet and its poor, beleagured people have been liberated. Of course we welcome and encourage New Republic forces to do just that, or if you choose to pursue diplomacy, you may still do so. But in the meantime, our blockade is legal, it is humane, and it is our obligation as concerned and responsible free worlds and corporations, who are as threatened as anyone by the threat that Acherin poses upon us all. May the Force protect ours and New Republic soldiers, and may it speed their journey to Acherin. Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 7:44 PM | Message # 4 |
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| There are rumors that persist of the involved forces looting the planet... and this disturbs me. When I proposed the Acherin Resolution, I never intended for it to be taken into anyone's hands other than the professional personnel of the NRDF. That resolution was for the New Republic, not Neimoidia, or Brentaal, or the IMC... and I believe that a committee should be established to investigate the actions of this civilian blockade, and ensure that nothing illegal is occuring...
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 8:13 PM | Message # 5 |
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| "Looting" is an unkind word, Senator, and frankly it is small of you to accuse us of such. I do wish you would see the larger picture; regardless of your specific intent with the resolution, it is the wording that matters, and I would hope that you can agree that we are certainly acting in the spirit of the measure, and its "quick enforcement" clause. I'm sure any investigation is welcome, because as aforementioned our blockade is humane and professional. Food and medical supplies are allowed safe passage, and we are seizing only those assets necessary to compensate us for the cost of our most noble endeavor. We are proud of the good work we're doing there, and we have nothing to hide. Remember, Senator Forte, we are doing this for New Plympto, and Brentaal, Neimoidia, the IMC and all New Republic members. And of course, for the brutally oppressed people of Acherin, who are suffering mightily at the hands of this regime. I pray that the Republic will indeed liberate them soon. In the meantime, our blockade will continue to neutralize the Acherin regime as much as possible, to ripen it for the Republic's intervention or indeed, for its diplomacy. Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 8:39 PM | Message # 6 |
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| If looting is occuring, I believe everyone involved should be held accountable, including the Senators involved, whom should be removed from office should wrongdoing be found to be occuring at Acherin. We can not allow the New Republic to turn into the Old Republic and its corrupt ways. Otherwise, you might see yet another Seperatist Movement.
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| DannilBoVar | Date: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 9:28 PM | Message # 7 |
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| "I trust that the kind Senator from New Plympto is not attempting to threaten the New Republic with talk of secession; afterall, we would not want to the good Senator to be misconstrued as an Imperial sympathizer. Then again, it was also the good Senator from New Plympto that requested 'quick enforcement' of the Acherin problem. Nonetheless, I assure the Chief of State that the InterGalactic Mining Core has every intention of aiding the New Republic in it's endeavours on the planet surface, and will be aiding in whatever way possible to bring democracy to the planet Acherin. I would ask that the Chief of State remind the good Senator from New Plympto that this government is established for the mutual benefit of its member worlds, and that New Plympto need not result to idle threads or bold statements of looting to slander what is a clearly humane and peaceful means of bringing democracy to the planet Acherin."
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Dannil Bo'Var
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 23 Mar 2009, 11:29 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I agree with Representative Bo'var. Senator Forte, I do not see the need to threaten the Republic with secession simply because Brentaal, Neimoidia and the IMC are enforcing a resolution that you sponsored, and called for the "quick enforcement" thereof. Do you understand how your argument rather contradicts itself, Senator? Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Tuesday, 24 Mar 2009, 10:40 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Forte, I am going to be the bigger man here. You are threatening this body with secession, do you remember what that lead to last time? Tell me Senator, was it a peaceful path or one written in blood and violence. I question whether Senator Forte is mature enough to be Senator if this is the way he acts to the enforcement of his own act, and perhaps should turn his keen ear to the rumours circulating in the rotunda of his lacking loyalty to the New Republic. No looting is taking place, as Senator Cambrist highlights, our operation is completely transparent, a peaceful action to put constraints on an evil government. This is an outwage! You are accusing the military forces of Brentaal, Neimoidia and the IMC of being unprofessional! Senator, our forces are all trained to impeckable standards, many of our number coming from ex-New Republic forces, I feel that by saying the NRDF is some how 'better' or 'more professional' beggars belief.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 24 Mar 2009, 11:33 AM | Message # 10 |
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| In fact, Senator Forte, I seem to recall that you indeed served in the Confederacy of Independent Systems, did you not? Would it be fair of me to suggest that separatism might be in your blood? Certainly something is amiss, as Senator Kruus has noted, for you to criticize the professional, red blooded soldiers of Brentaal, many of whom are indeed veterans of the war against the Empire. Truly, Senator Forte, it is quite unbecoming to threaten the harmonious union that is the New Republic, and insult its veterans, all the while questioning the motives of the very men who are enforcing your resolution. It is beneath even you. Frankly, Senator, to propose a resolution, call for its "quick enforcement," then criticize those who enforce it and promote "rumors" to cause disorder and secession.. it sounds all too Palpatinian to me. Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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| Cul-utaanForte | Date: Wednesday, 25 Mar 2009, 7:43 AM | Message # 11 |
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| I never mentioned New Plympto seceeding...nor did I say that I would be apart of a seperatist movement. However, the Acherin Resolution did not say that Brentaal would enforce it...or Neimoidia would enforce it...or the IMC would enforce it... it called upon the New Republic to enforce it quickly. And it was the New Republic that decided to use diplomacy first...which although I would have preferred immediate military action, that's what was decided. Therefore, as the Acherin Resolution stands...the New Republic will use diplomatic means to bring about a democratic change within the Acherin government, and should that fail, military action by the NRDF will be used to bring about the change. I may not like it myself, but it is what it is, and this is how it stands. Thus...Senator Cambrist, Senator Kruus, and Representative Bo'Var you are all in violation of New Republic law, and have undertaken illegal, aggressive, military action against a world and its government. I may not like it, but it is the law, and as a Senator of the Galactic Senate of the New Republic, I am sworn to obey it...and enforce it.
General Cul'utaan'forte
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| Jory_Carson | Date: Wednesday, 25 Mar 2009, 8:48 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Carson could be seen messaging his temples, an action caused by the bickering of his colleagues; a reminder of hostile talks he had attended near every day at the KDY Offices prior to his election as Senator of Kuat. Distantly he felt a pang of regret for Mr. Massey who now headed that department. He signed deeply before moving his podium to the center of the amphitheater. “If I may address the Senate,” he spoke calmly, then without waiting for conformation he started. “What is an ‘outwage’, is that we Senators sit here bickering about such things rather than taking action. This resolution was passed as a measure for the Republic to take action, not its subsidiary planets and cooperation. That, however, is not the point at large. “Now, at the brink we sit here staring at each other across this room rather than making the difference that were all elected to make. It is not time to bicker fellow Senators, it is time to act. “I would call upon Chief of State Fitzgerald to end this pointless diatribe now and commission a team to investigate this matter.”
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Wednesday, 25 Mar 2009, 9:49 AM | Message # 13 |
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| I concur with Senator Carson of Kuat. We do not need to bicker at each other about the recent actions made by Brentaal, Neimoidia, and the IMC. It proves nothing. Like Senator Carson suggested, we need to move on and call upon Chief of State to send a team to investigate the blockade of Acherin. Tremaine Fowlkes,
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| Simon_Levi | Date: Wednesday, 25 Mar 2009, 11:56 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Senator Forte, I feel it is very small of you to be making jibes at this stage about particular Senators breaking laws. I would suggest if you have such an accusation you should make it in the courts. Rather than throwing around such un-patriotic jargon. As stated in the resolution, it mentions the New Republic taking action, and the New Republic is taking action, irrelevant of whether the federal government itself is acting. The New Republic is every one of us, and every planet. It called upon the federal government to act, but indeed it authorised the New Republic as a whole to act to save oppressed people. Even if this were not authorised by the Senate, it is still a legal action, it is a peaceful blockade against trade. Every world has the right to conduct its own foreign policy with independant worlds, and as such our governments would have the right to take a course of against a world outside of the New Republic. However, this is explicitly authorised by the Senate, you called for swift enforcement, and the enforcement has been swift, and thanks to that enforcement thousands of tons of arms are not getting to the Acherin government to be fired at the NRDF when they do act against the world. Senator Fowlkes, An investigation into our blockade would be welcomed, as we have again and again stated our intention is to be transparent with our actions. Indeed I am pleased to offer the investigation my own suite aboard the 'Serene' which is currently leading the Neimoidian forces in orbit of Acherin. Senator Carson, The IMC, Brentaal and Neimoidia agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment, it is indeed action and not bickering that is needed at this stage, hence we have deployed a blockade around Acherin to prevent the illegal importing of arms to a regime the New Republic has authorised violence again.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 25 Mar 2009, 4:58 PM | Message # 15 |
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| I also agree wholly with Senator Carson, that this is not the time to argue amongst ourselves. I hope that Senator Forte will bear that in mind the next time he introduces "rumors," innuendo and insults into what was theretofore a rational and intelligent conversation. And with regard to Senator Carson's proposal of an investigation; as I've said, and as others have said, we are proud of the good work we are doing at Acherin. Our blockade is legal, it is humane, and it is transparent. Anyone is welcome to observe, supervise, or indeed, to investigate if need be. And to reiterate once more to Senator Forte, since the entirety of my points seem to have gone over his head: the Senate passed a resolution authorizing the New Republic to use force. Therefore, we are exercising our prerogative as members of the New Republic to use force. I seem to recall explaining this in great detail only moments ago. I'm sorry if you "intended" it to be otherwise, but when a bill becomes law it is no longer the property of its writer, and it is interpreted by its words, not just by its intent. If you wanted to disqualify Brentaal, Neimoidia and the IMC from enforcing your resolution, you should have said so in the resolution (however, that would be a violation of planetary sovereignty, so it is fortunate that you did not). And to touch on Senator Kruus' point; he is quite right that blockading a planet is not illegal even it is not authorized (though this one is). I believe Senator Forte might be confused on this matter. Certainly to blockade a New Republic planet, like, say, the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo in the waning decade of the Old Republic, would be illegal. But Brentaal and Neimoidia--and every memberworld--have the right to their own self determination, and their own policies and protests against planets outside the Republic, such as Acherin, especially when all of us are equally threatened by that planet. However, again, your resolution authorized us so the point is moot in any event. In closing, I agree once more with Senator Carson. This is not the time for bickering. This is not the time for "rumors" and insults (to veterans, no less). We welcome as large, as long, and as many an investigation as the New Republic wishes to conduct, and if it wishes to pursue diplomacy, it is perfectly capable and welcome to do so. In the meantime, we are engaged at Acherin in a noble and legal blockade against an oppressive regime that murders its innocent, its dissenters, and its own civil servants, and imports weapons for use against the very New Republic soldiers now en route to the planet. Disagree with us if you must, for whatever your true reasons are, but restrain your barbarous remarks, Senator Forte, and do not question our motives. There's no need to be short with us. Senator Cambrist, Brentaal
Chairman of the Commerce Council
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