MainMy profileRegistrationLog outLogin
Monday
16.6.2025
5:50 PM
| RSS Main
[New messages · Members · Forum rules · Search · RSS ]
  • Page 1 of 2
  • 1
  • 2
  • »
Archive - read only
Forum moderator: Sate_Pestage  
Investigating Vjun
Taja_LohdenDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:37 PM | Message # 1
Lieutenant
Group: Users
Messages: 79
Awards: 0
Reputation: 0
Status: Offline
My dear Senators, while the memory of Carratos and its people are still fresh in our minds, I would like to bring forth another matter of security, one dealing with a planet that has made its voice heard quite often recently.

I speak, of course, of Vjun.

As is customary for myself, I dedicate a lot of personal time into researching the systems of those I come into debate with during Senate sessions, but my foray into Vjun's history and status has left me a little... nonplussed, not to mention fearful for the potential threats it may be concealing.

Allow me, if you will, to speak briefly of a more decadent, less practical time. Vjun, already considered by some to be a hostile world, played host to a horrific experiment regarding Force sensitivity. The erstwhile Viscount Malreaux, alledgedly one of the wealthier of Vjun's then-vibrant populace, performed undisclosed experiments on midi-chlorians which resulted first in the insanity, then the break-down and annihilation, of Vjun's inhabitants.

While the planet hasn't displayed any outward signs of spreading contagion, one has to wonder on the standing of those that have been to, or been born on, the planet since this tragedy.
I am making this proposal not as an attack on our good Senator Oriel, whom I have come to see as a saviour of Imperial principle, even if he and I do not see perfectly eye to eye on every matter. I am making this proposal simply as insurance that we can remain protected from the plague of Force sensitivity, and avert any crises before actions such as those at Carratos become necessary.

________

1. The world of Vjun be subjected immediately to testing by the best Imperial scientists available, without hindrence from any remaining civillian or representative. This includes:
a). The screening of Vjun's population for midi-chlorian counts and Force sensitivity.
b). The screening of known visitors to Vjun for possible contagion, including signs of insanity induced by latent strains of the madness that once gripped Vjun.
c). The immediate screening of Senator Oriel for Force sensitivity, insanity or other side-effects of the malady that once afflicted his homeworld.

2. In the event of vestiges of this illness being discovered on Vjun, the Empire be allowed to set up a facility on or near the planet which will constantly monitor the state of Vjun's occupants mental health, as well as observing for showing signs of Force sensitivity in dormant midi-chlorian cells which have since been awoken by the residual effects of prior experimentation.

3. Imperial Intelligence be allowed to sweep Vjun thoroughly for groups of Force sensitives, who may be using the planet's history and the after-effects of Viscount Malreaux's experimentations as a means of hiding from the proper justice owed to them by the Empire. The same should apply to individuals caught hiding on Vjun, with proven Force sensitivity.
a). If such groups are found to have been harboured intentionally, action will be taken to bring those responsible into line.

________

As I have stated, this is not a personal attack on Senator Oriel, and I apologise whole-heartedly to you Bernard for the accusatory nature of this bill. I am sure, if circumstances were different and Kaal were in such a precarious position, the same measures would be proposed against me and my represented world, and that I, as a Senator with the good of the Empire at heart, would happily oblige.
If any other Senators wish to add to this precautionary act, or make reasonable amendments, please state so. Also, I and the people of Kaal are interested in the reasoning behind favourable or unfavourable votes, to better assess our means of appealing to a wider audience within the Empire's society.

Message edited by Taja_Lohden - Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:32 PM
 
Bernard_OrielDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:09 PM | Message # 2
Colonel general
Group: Users
Messages: 803
Awards: 1
Reputation: 2
Status: Offline
Senator,

Come now, while it is widely known that the insane former holder of the Malreux estates instituted experiments with midi-chlorion paricles, I am not aware of the scientific background to this particle ("midi" would appear to imply "middle" and "chlor" the element chlorine, and "ion" meaning "ion".

This would give an apparent translation of "middle chloride ion", and it is well known that the GABA Chloride Ion channel has an effect upon aggressive behaviour in many species. If I might quote Professor M Canonaco in his recent work with this ion channel in animals "The low GABA doses (3 and 5 micrograms/g body weight) inhibited lateral merus display as early as 10 min after drug treatment while the administration of higher GABA concentrations (greater than 5 micrograms/g) prolonged the duration of the behavioral effects. The administration of 1 microgram/g picrotoxin to the animals treated with the effective GABA doses (5, 10 and 20 micrograms/g) restored lateral merus display. The antagonizing activity of picrotoxin on the inhibitory GABA effects, in a temporal manner, demonstrates that GABAergic sites other than peripheral ones are probably participating with the regulation of this agonistic posture. Both the behavioral and autoradiographic results suggest that the type of aggression behavior in animals may not only be mediated by a peripherally controlled GABA-gated chloride ion flux but also by a central GABAergic mechanism."

So, injecting individuals with "chloride ions" would have the effect of stimulating the aggressive behaviour and madness caused in the Vjun population all those years ago, I would also highlight that the massive doses likely administered by the Vicount Malreaux would likely also result in death due to excess gamma-Aminobutyric acid which would likely cause a nervous shutdown thanks to its inhibitory neurotransmission effect.

This talk of "the force" is superstitious Jediist nonsense, that I am ashamed to have to even mention in this chamber. The force does not exist, it is a myth, cooked up by the followers of a pederastic cult to justify their own position in society, nothing more. As such I feel unable to vote in favour of a bill which gives mention, and indeed supports the belief in "the force".

It is for this reason that I vote against the motion as a waste of time and money which attempts to investigate if individuals have magic powers, all sensible people know that the trickery the Jedi employed was nothing more than slight of hand, showmanship, suggestion and other party tricks which anyone could replicate. However, I would not oppose this investigation if the senate feels it advisable, but would highlight that the large Imperial presence on my world makes the idea of fugitives "hiding" on Vjun laughable.


Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
 
LomenRyuunDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:21 PM | Message # 3
Lieutenant general
Group: Users
Messages: 696
Awards: 1
Reputation: 1
Status: Offline
Senator Lohden, you have piqued my curiosity. I'm willing to vote in favor of this. Senator Oriel, you are a decent fellow and I trust this Force business will hardly slander your name. By all means, why not submit to the testing? It can't hurt.

Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
 
Crin_StarDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:25 PM | Message # 4
Major general
Group: Users
Messages: 313
Awards: 2
Reputation: -3
Status: Offline
"Any possibility of force users being present especially the jedi is too high to take any chances and as such I vote in favor of this resolution."
 
Senator_OrdanDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:32 PM | Message # 5
Lieutenant general
Group: Users
Messages: 633
Awards: 0
Reputation: 1
Status: Offline
As ever, the Senator of Volus is talking nonsense. I myself have visited Vjun many times during my life, and my family holds land there, as do many wealthy families in the Core and Tapani Sector regions.. Vjun is a world with population numbered as less than 10,000 globally.. I think everyone would notice an outsider in their community. There are likely more Imperial personnel stationed at Vjun than there are local people! Especially with the ongoing establishment of the Vjun Rehabilitation Sector.

As also stated before, I repeat the facts stated by Senator Oriel, the Force is a supersition. It does not exist. This is a fact which has been repeated by Imperial Policy many times, it is a doctrine in a banned religion. The suggestion that locals on Vjun would be "using" this tradition is barking mad, even before the dissolution of the Jedi Order, there were no Jedi officials based on Vjun.


Senator Hubert Ordan
__________________________

Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
 
Taja_LohdenDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:37 PM | Message # 6
Lieutenant
Group: Users
Messages: 79
Awards: 0
Reputation: 0
Status: Offline
But surely, Senator Ordan, one cannot deny the danger afflicted by those with potency to the Force, or whatever we wish to call it. Following the Clone Wars, I find it hard to deny the fact that this Force exists, in whatever manifestation its practitioners decide to allude to it. And I for one cannot sit idly by and allow for even the remotest possibility that a cult or grouping of these people may be exploiting the dangers wrought upon Vjun, or the possible declining state of health of those associated with the place.

This is a precautionary matter, not an obtrusive attempt to subjugate what may very well be an innocent planet with a tragic past. And as for noticing an outsider in the community, I highly doubt any Jedi or other illicit being in hiding would simply walk into the nearest civillised area and ask for directions to the most suitable cave for hiding in, do you, Senator?

 
Bernard_OrielDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 5:07 PM | Message # 7
Colonel general
Group: Users
Messages: 803
Awards: 1
Reputation: 2
Status: Offline
While, as I say I would not object to this. Vjun is already home to a significant Imperial Intelligence installation where it seems likely many operatives are based. As a world which presently plays host to many diverse branches of the Imperial State, we are always open to scrutiny from the Galactic Empire, on anything on our world, including its people.

Thus this motion is simply not required. Vjun is happy to agree to any measures or investigations Imperial Intelligence feels necessary. It is not the job of the Senate to compel Imperial Intelligence into an invesitgation which may well have already taken place (I do not have access to Imperial Intelligence files, as a Senator), or have been discounted as a waste of resources.

I would be curious to hear the Chair's view. Is a motion required if Vjun is happy to submit to any and all enquiries the Imperial Intelligence Dept may have?


Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
 
Janar_CerraDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 5:26 PM | Message # 8
Major general
Group: Users
Messages: 379
Awards: 0
Reputation: 2
Status: Offline
I have some issues with the basis of this investigation. You wish us to investigate a planet due to its colorful past. I personally feel that is no reason to open up a full investigation. All of our planets have had very colorful pasts, I know Garos has, yet that has nothing to do with the present. We cannot damn a planet because of its past. Senator Oriel has not given us a reason to doubt his loyalty to the Empire, nor have the people of Vjun themselves.

Garos IV votes AGAINST this investigation.


Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
 
Senator_OrdanDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 5:58 PM | Message # 9
Lieutenant general
Group: Users
Messages: 633
Awards: 0
Reputation: 1
Status: Offline
I think it quite unlikely that if Imperial Intelligence had suspicions regarding the Vjun population they wouldnt have just investigated, considering their presence on Vjun and the fact Vjun plays host to multiple apparatus of the Imperial State.

This, combined with Senator Oriel's expressed consent to any Imperial Intelligence investigation, leads me to believe this motion isnt needed, so I vote against.


Senator Hubert Ordan
__________________________

Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
 
RonsardEntrenteDate: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 6:21 PM | Message # 10
Lieutenant
Group: Users
Messages: 58
Awards: 0
Reputation: 1
Status: Offline
I defer to both Senator Ordan's and Cerra's explanations to the unnecessary nature of this motion, given Vjun's already isolated and tiny population. There is hardly a large enough risk to Imperial security to warrant a full-fledged investigation by Imperial Intelligence, which would be too costly and too burdensome to Vjun's planetary structure to be effective in this case. Commenor votes against this motion.

Ronsard Entrente

Senator of Commenor
Ranking Member, Commerce Committee

 
Taja_LohdenDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 1:47 AM | Message # 11
Lieutenant
Group: Users
Messages: 79
Awards: 0
Reputation: 0
Status: Offline
Senator Cerra, I understand your viewpoint, but this isn't a motion to damn Vjun or its peoples, simply to investigate and ensure there are no problems to take action against. Yes, many planets have a colourful past, my own included, but Vjun presents a rather special case in that its people were, for all intents and purposes, wiped out by their own madness relating to experiments with the 'Force'. And Senator Ordan's loyalty is not being called into question, Senator, I believe he is as true an Imperial as one could hope to find. It is simply an issue of ascertaining that his mind hasn't been compromised by things over which he has no control.

If Vjun is found to be clean and non-threatening, a public apology will be issued by the Senate, and no harm will be done. Or we could all vote against this, and when an uprising of half-mad Jedi - yes, I said Jedi - rises to the fore-front, we'll all vote again in a panic before any damage is done.

As for Senator Ordan's comments, I for one am interested in the 'multiple apparatus' Vjun holds host to in the Senate. If said 'apparatus' involves people, then they will be subject to screening as per the terms of this act (should it pass), along with Senator Ordan and any other with physical connection to the planet. As a matter of security, I can't let this lie undisturbed. Being so close to the safe and secure society we're supposed to be helping our good Emperor to propogate, I don't think any of us should be ignoring security risks, no matter how small.

The team that will be sent to Vjun will be an outside team, sterile to the best of our abilities, and not compromised by already being stationed on Vjun. Don't you see Senators? If Vjun is infact plagued by the lingering effects of those experiments, it will take outsiders to determine the fact, not those that have been in contact with the place. Senator Oriel and, having admitted to spending time on Vjun, Senator Ordan, your views are speculative at the moment, as we haven't yet been able to ascertain the stability or the mind-set of anyone who's visited or lives on Vjun.

I hate to become accusatory, or derogative of Imperial Intelligence, but if those stationed on Vjun have indeed investigated the planet, what is to say that their minds haven't already been compromised?
Vote as you will Senators, but keep in mind that this isn't an effort to move in troops and exterminate the populace, it's an effort to determine whether or not there is something to investigate, and acting now could save us a lot of unnecessary trouble later.

 
Toben-DomonDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 3:54 AM | Message # 12
Major general
Group: Users
Messages: 347
Awards: 0
Reputation: -5
Status: Offline
Senator Lohden is eloquent as always. Sluis Van votes in favor.

Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
 
Bernard_OrielDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 4:19 AM | Message # 13
Colonel general
Group: Users
Messages: 803
Awards: 1
Reputation: 2
Status: Offline
I'd like to query why Senator Lohden is fear mongering. I would like to request the chair make a statement re: Vjun as I feel myself poorly equipped to answer on the behalf of Imperial Intelligence. There is not one Jedi on Vjun.

As stated the Viscount Malreaux was guilty of experiments relating to chloride ions, these resulted in a widespread plague which caused madness and death, there have been no reported recurrences of this illness since the original outbreak.

I have been informed by local members of Imperial Intelligence and the Imperial College of Medicine that the world has no effect upon visitors (from medical checks on Individuals entering and leaving's routine medical exams). Furthermore the Officer I spoke to instructed you to forward any further questions questioning the fitness of the Emperors Officials on Vjun to the Military Executor, in person.

Does Senator Lohden have any positive evidence? Or does she base her thesis merely upon assertion and supposition?

As previously stated, Vjun consents to any investigation ordered by Imperial Intelligence.


Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
 
Taja_LohdenDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 4:32 AM | Message # 14
Lieutenant
Group: Users
Messages: 79
Awards: 0
Reputation: 0
Status: Offline
Fear-mongering, Senator Oriel? Had there been nothing to support this motion, then yes, perhaps these would be unfounded concerns, however there is a precedent here which allows genuine investigation into Vjun simply to ascertain that there are no further threats to be found there. I find your defensiveness on the matter highly irregular, considering you are willing to be subject to investigation if approved. As I've said many times, this is not an attack on Vjun or its people, I simply think this needs investigating properly by an outside team, on the off-chance that something previously undetected be found on your planet.

As for evidence, the historical facts speak for themselves, and lets face it, these events happened quite recently as far as history is concerned. I do hope nothing is found on Vjun, and that these concerns can be forgotten, in which case I would be more than willing to drop the theoretical allegations against your community, but the decision lies with the Senate as to whether or not an investigation is wise. As for my own standpoint, the tolerance of even the remotest possibility of Jedi, or other exploitative threats, is inadvisable.

Message edited by Taja_Lohden - Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 4:33 AM
 
Bernard_OrielDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 4:53 AM | Message # 15
Colonel general
Group: Users
Messages: 803
Awards: 1
Reputation: 2
Status: Offline
As I've said, I'm willing to participate in the investigation. I simply don't believe it is the job of the senate to decide what Imperial Intelligence investigates and does not investigate. You are stirring up the need for an 'investigation' on the basis of a disease which occurred 20 years ago, since then there have been no reported incidents of the disease, despite several studies by the Republic and Imperial Medical Studies.

In the past decade thousands of Imperial Personnel have passed through the Vjun installations, there have been no reported cases of the 'Vjun pestilence" amongst any of these. One might as well demand a full check of every individual in the Weemell Sector for Brainrot Plague, a disease which appeared only 10 years ago. Equally as a core sector, the outbreak of such an epidemic could cause massive casualties... But... Not one case for 10 years, so while the Empire continues to monitor the situation it would hardly be efficient use of resources to order Intelligence to mount a massive screening program.

This proposed investigation is a) a waste of money , b) senate time (since ive agreed to submit my world to imperial investigation) c) a case of the senate exceeding it's mandate in seeking to instruct Imperial Intelligence.


Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
 
  • Page 1 of 2
  • 1
  • 2
  • »
Search:


Copyright MyCorp © 2025
Create a free website with uCoz