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Veteran's Act
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 2:53 PM | Message # 16 |
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| I apologize for the misunderstanding, Senator. Let the record show, though, that I do not believe my point has been diminished.
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| Taja_Lohden | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 2:56 PM | Message # 17 |
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| Of course Senator, its just that I simply wouldn't dream of trying to alleviate your concerns when Senator Star has had no input on them. As a point of fact, I am interested in hearing her response on the matter, if only as a matter of curiosity.
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 3:24 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Garos IV votes in favor of this proposal. It is our belief that we should take care of those who risk their lives to give us the lives we currently enjoy.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 3:30 PM | Message # 19 |
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| Of course, the Grand Vizier is correct in his statement regarding the clones, but I do believe that those who are not clones deserve to be cared for. Preferably at a low, if not free, cost to them. It saddens me to think that there are veterans out there who are unable to get the care that the require and deserve just because they cannot afford it based on disability or for any other reason. I vote in favor.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Crin_Star | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 3:31 PM | Message # 20 |
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| "From an complete observation you are correct senator Cambrist. This bill will cost the empire some credits mainly due to the fact that planets are getting reductions in their taxes, however mild it may be, to off set the costs of aiding the veterans of the Clone wars. However to one of your points senator Volus does NOT need these tax breaks however other worlds in the empire may not be as fortunate as Volus and not as able to take care of their veterans. While we can not completely pay off the bill ourselves Volus is willing to try and pay a portion of it off to the empire in order to replace some of the funds which this measure will cause. If you, as head of the Commerce council have suggestions on how we can make up for these cuts, perhaps some cuts in non-essential programs, feel free to add them on, as always we welcome your suggestions on such matters. And as for a clear point worlds without veterans will not receive the tax break so we are not wasting the empire's money frivolously but instead ensuring those that need it actually have it. We cannot allow our veterans, who served the republic and empire so well to fall through the cracks and that is the reason for this measure we owe them a great debt and we must try to give back to them.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 6:43 PM | Message # 21 |
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| I agree with you that Volus owes a great debt to its veterans. Their resilience in the Clone Wars, and yours, Senator, is legend. Your veterans deserve the highest honor and the best of care that Volus can provide to them, and I'm sure they will have it. But I must emphasize, the best care that Volus can provide to them, not Brentaal and not, in my opinion, the Empire, which already provides for its clones. I think that we agree on this, and that your intent is not to have the Empire provide for the care of these veterans but, rather, to provide worlds with the assistance they need to provide it themselves. This, we agree, is admirable. I only disagree with you on the economy of this. The Empire can give only so many tax incentives, and, because of this, I feel we must do so wisely. For instance, a tax incentive for job creation or investment on a particular world could, potentially, raise the standard of living for all of its residents, including veterans. But that incentive, or another incentive on similar lines, will eventually not be possible with incentives of this sort having already been enacted. I am reluctant to say that there are higher priorities than veterans, who sacrifice so much for us all. But the reality is that there are (especially on the poorest worlds that this proposal means to help. Indeed, if a world is so poor that it cannot afford to care for its veterans, the care of its veterans is probably the least of that world's problems. If these are the worlds that we are providing tax incentives to, those incentives should probably focus more on housing, farming, infrastructure, and other things that those worlds need in order to have the sort of future that their veterans, no doubt, sacrificed for). I realize that I am being parsimonious, but I hope it is not said that I am being parsimonious for frivolous reasons. Even if I can't bring myself to vote for this measure, I'm not sure I can bring myself to vote against it, either. For the time being, I will refrain from voting.
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Wednesday, 17 Nov 2010, 2:53 AM | Message # 22 |
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| It's good to see that the Imperial Senate has finally recognize the need to help the veterans of the Clone Wars. These soldiers should be viewed as heroes and be treated as such. I vote in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| RonsardEntrente | Date: Wednesday, 17 Nov 2010, 5:44 PM | Message # 23 |
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| Is there an accurate count of the number of fully human (non-clone) veterans of the Clone Wars still alive today who are still loyal Imperial subjects? If that number can be estimated to any degree, it might give the Senate a better perspective on the financial impacts of such tax breaks to the Imperial treasury.
Ronsard Entrente Senator of Commenor
Ranking Member, Commerce Committee
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 17 Nov 2010, 6:37 PM | Message # 24 |
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| Aren't most non clone veterans in gainful employment? They only served a maximum of three years after all, and it's been a decade since, why should the Imperial Purse subsidise the rest of their lives... Perhaps the equivalent for three years pension contributions might be called for but I don't believe in writing them a blank cheque. So for now I vote against.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Wednesday, 17 Nov 2010, 6:57 PM | Message # 25 |
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| I'm afraid there is not an accurate count, Senator Entrente. The Old Republic was, as we know, mired in bureaucracy. Prior to His Majesty's reforms, the Republic was rather ill-equipped to manage, in a bureaucratic sense, an army the size of the one that it fielded in the Clone Wars. More often than not, the Republic's records are inconsistent with planetary records (for those planets that maintained any records). The estimates, however, of the total number of planetary forces who were considered a part of the Republic army are, potentially, as high as 187 billion. It may be useful, though, to make a distinction between those who were considered a part of the Republic army and those who actually saw action in the Clone Wars, since the majority did not. Indeed, these estimates are significantly lower—as few as 7 billion. I must emphasize, though, that documentation of this is poor, and there is no consistent standard for what constitutes "seeing action" in the war. This complicates how it would be determined who is and who is not eligible for benefits. I hope this information is of use to you, Senators.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Wednesday, 17 Nov 2010, 7:20 PM | Message # 26 |
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| The cost of this bill, from the Grand Vizier's estimates, are preposterously high. But as a Clone Wars veteran I am not insensible as to the merits of this bill. I propose that the motion be tabled until such a time as the Imperial Economics Committee to get a proper handle on the possible costs for this motion. Would the Chair grant the committee the time for such an investigation and cost-benefit analysis.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Fabio | Date: Wednesday, 17 Nov 2010, 11:29 PM | Message # 27 |
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| Although I am not allowed to vote on this act, due to me being accepted into the senate after this was brought forth, I do have a few things to say. My father served in the senate during the clone wars. No war was seen on our planet, thankfully but I've met a few Veterans of the Clone Wars. As it stands now, they are poor, and homeless. They sacrificed a lot to insure our security, half of the Clone War veteran's here on Anobis are missing an arm or a leg. If I had the right to vote, I'd vote in favor. However, with what the Grand Vizier said, I'd have to agree with Senator Ordan's table motion. Just saying.
Fabio Riada. King of Anobis.
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 0:02 AM | Message # 28 |
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| Being a veteran of the clone wars myself, I concur with Senator Ordan's thesis. A Committee should investigate this costs involved before we rush a potentially costly piece of legislation through. I vote for tabling the motion. *Oriel was still in the senate for all present debates as they took place. Having not been arrested until after this session.*
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 0:38 AM | Message # 29 |
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| Being one of the many Clone Wars veterans in the Senate, and having seen direct combat myself, I also join Senators Ordan and Oriel in calling for this to be tabled and studied by the Economics Committee, which the Defense Committee would be more than willing to assist in. Personally, as a matter of record, I feel this is more of a local rather than Imperial issue. The Clone Wars veterans of a world such as Deralia, where a supermajority saw combat but few were physically hurt and not healed, prostheticized or cyberized and all receive comfortable benefits, are different from a world such Anobis, where many seem to have seen combat, but few were medically treated and even left to loose their homes and starve because of it; just as the situation on both worlds are different from Brentaal, where there are no Clone Wars veterans.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Crin_Star | Date: Thursday, 18 Nov 2010, 11:06 AM | Message # 30 |
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| Im sorry but I can not and will not support the tabling of this bill because it will consist of unnecessary delays and unacceptable delays in the benefits to veterans who are truly in need of this thing. Senator Ordan I might add that this measure will not pay out a full ammount of their checks for life but instead a cost of living check to help them in making their day to day ends meet.
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