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Veteran's Act
Crin_StarDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 6:35 AM | Message # 1
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"Senators, I come to you today with a great problem that confronts us. Too many veterans of the Clone Wars, who fought bravely and heroically against the forces of the Separatists, are falling through the cracks because of difficulty moving on from the trauma of the last war. Some have lost limbs and cannot attain meaningful work in this day and age because they cannot afford the expensive prosthetics. This cannot be allowed. These men and women fought so that we may now have the peace which is enjoyed now across the galaxy and so that worlds could remain free from the oppression of the Separatists.

For this reason I propose a measure to look after these men and women who so bravely defended freedom and helped to establish this Empire. This will include those who served in either local militias or the Grand Army of the Republic.

1. This measure will provide tax incentives and breaks for planets which offer rehabilitative services including, but not limited to: Counseling to those veterans who still suffer from the traumatic experience of the Clone Wars, Medical facilities devoted to the treatment of veterans and their families which should be either at low cost or free of charge, training programs to assist those soldiers who wish to attempt to mesh back into society and live normal lives, and assistance to those who suffer from dehabilitating injuries from their service.

A. This tax incentive or break will be weighted depending on the number of veterans on a planet giving the bigger breaks to the planets which need it.

B. This measure will also establish an Imperial Review, likely be conducted by the garrison provided with the Increased Security Act passed earlier this year and will ensure that these treatment facilities and measures listed above and below are being enacted adequately and effectively.

2. An additional tax incentive and break will be given to planets so that they may be able to pay veterans a small but potentially stabilizing monthly check based upon their final pay grade when leaving the military and whether they saw combat or not. This should be increased per every few years as the costs of living rise.

A. This tax incentive or break will be weighted depending on the number of veterans on a planet giving the bigger breaks to the planets which need it.

3. Any world found to be not in compliance with this measure or whose facilities are not sanitary or adequate will lose their tax incentives and be obligated to make needed changes based on the recommendations of the garrison commander or the inspector outlined in Article 1 paragraph B.

4. And so that the Veteran’s sacrifices will never be forgotten I would propose that we create a day of commemoration to honor our Veterans and their service to the galaxy. This day would be held the Benduday following Empire Day.

5. To prevent any calls of bias or self interest, any member of the Imperial Senate who served in the clone wars is to be exempt from any such payments and should be regarded as a normal citizen when it comes to these treatment facilities leaving the funds for those who truly need it.

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Taja_LohdenDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:01 AM | Message # 2
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The veterans of the Clone Wars are indeed heroes, but unfortunately, in times of peace the heroes of war are often neglected. Shamefully so, I don't recall once ever passing thought to those that fought for us during those harrowing times, and I am wholeheartedly glad that this issue has been brought to us, not only as a plea for aid to those affected, but to beckon us to remember the people who helped us to be here today.

I think the Senate will agree that caring for these individuals is a small thing to ask, and that ensuring the facilities provided are in top shape is paramount, to show the everlasting gratitude to those who put their lives on the line.
However... and yes, there is a 'however'... I'd like to see those who are integrated back into society be given the chance to come to Imperial Centre, and share their stories of inspiration with our existing Stormtroopers, allow the army to see that it was formed on the basis of worlds working together, and eschew the notion that local forces exist only to cause trouble for our men.

There is another underlying matter here, and I believe it was gently touched upon but not expansively. The Grand Army of the Republic, in its day, was little more than a tool crafted for our use in war; its members were cloned units, hardly deserving of sentient rights or representations, and as such their medical facilities were sometimes less than adequate. It was, in some cases, cheaper to repace a unit with a new clone, than perform extensive surgery and return a damage product to the battlefield. I'm afraid that in this day and age, such notions still stand true, and while I am in support of the aid given to non-Clone personnel who were affected by the Clone Wars, I cannot vote to sanction further benefits for Clone veterans who are soon due to expire from accelerated age anyway.

My final query is to whether or not the degree of how veterans have been affected will be called into question, in regards to the tax incentives or breaks. One world may have fifty percent more Clone War Veterans than another, however they may simply be suffering with intangible ailments such as traumatic stress, things which can be soothed far easier and at less expense than outfitting men and women with adequate cybernetic replacements for lost limbs. In this instance, will the world with more veterans be given a better incentive or break than the world with less, even if the world with less has more expensive and immediate needs?

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Exar_RayDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:02 AM | Message # 3
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All I see here are tax breaks, Senator Crin. A veteran that has fought nobly for this galaxy is entitled to much more then tax breaks. How about allowing them health care at a discounted price? How about if they want to further their education? Let us provide something to them in that sense. And instead of placing these veterans by planet they are from, I think that we should count them as one, because they fought for the Imperial Army as a whole. I agree heartly with giving them a day to be proud of. A day where they, with the rest of the citizens of the Galactic Empire behind them, declared in one voice that they will not go quietly into the night?! Let us honor them as it was their blood, sweat, and tears that allowed the Emperor to bring us together as a whole.

 
Crin_StarDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:12 AM | Message # 4
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"I would agree with you Senator Lohden, that to have recordings of their stories brought to the storm troopers and would be in favor of an amendment as such. This measure will provide benefits weighted where it is needed most based upon numbers and severity of the injuries to make sure that the veterans are treated as effectively as possible. Now as for the clone soldiers, as much as I would like to see benefits extended to them it may not be as useful seeing as they will beginning to pass on soon as is, but how about a compromise we will add an amendment to give them end of life care to make their eventual passing easier. It is the least they deserve for their heroic service.

Senator Ray, the tax breaks are for the planets so that they may provide benefits to the veterans from cheap to free health care as provided by article 1 line 2, training programs offered in article one line 3 and monthly payments outlined in article 2 lines 1 and 2. I feel that it would be better to have it done by planet since it would be smaller pools to deal with meaning that it would hopefully, be easier in implementation to have it done on a planetary level with the Empire helping the planets through Tax breaks and incentives for running these programs.

 
Taja_LohdenDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:24 AM | Message # 5
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Very good, Senator Star, I believe that end-of-life care would be more adequate than attempting to provide for Cloned units on a longer term basis. Sentient or not, Human or not, it is only humane to attend to them in their final moments to ease their passing, rather than allow post-war ailments to ravage them.

I am glad a compromise could be found, and it has been a pleasure to vote on a productive measure. I cast my vote to approve, in the name of Kaal and its peoples, as well as on a personal note. Thank you, Senator Star, and I look forward to seeing these amendments added to the bill.

 
Crin_StarDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:32 AM | Message # 6
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Amendment 1: Provides end of life assistance for the Clone troopers who served during the Clone Wars for the Grand Army of the republic giving them the utmost respect and care during the end of their accelerated lives.

Amendment 2: Allows those soldiers "who are integrated back into society be given the chance to come to Imperial Centre, and share their stories of inspiration with our existing Stormtroopers, allow the army to see that it was formed on the basis of worlds working together, and eschew the notion that local forces exist only to cause trouble for our men." These stories will also be recorded and saved for future generations to learn about the sacrifices made during the clone Wars.

And as a point of clarification, the amount in the tax breaks must be used to cover the veterans on that planet. It is not to get out of taxes but instead to help planets in paying for those services.

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Taja_LohdenDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:57 AM | Message # 7
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Thank you again Senator Star, for making those amendments and adding that thoughtful clarification at the end.

I assume, also, that with the decreasing number of veterans owing to the inevitabilities of death, migration to other worlds, and so forth, that tax breaks will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis to ensure that affected worlds are no longer receiving incentives/breaks when their number of veterans depletes?

 
Crin_StarDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 7:59 AM | Message # 8
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"Yes it will be taken case-by-case on individual planets. To keep the money where it is needed and to ensure that the Empire's credits are not being wasted.
 
Taja_LohdenDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 8:10 AM | Message # 9
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Then, Senator Star, this act has my full confidence and the backing of the people of Kaal. Thank you yet again, for taking the time to address and clarify various concerns, and my favourable vote still stands.

As testament and gratitude for your proposal of this bill, the people of Kaal have petitioned me, and I am laying forth the following statement.

"We, the people of Kaal, play host every year to the veterans affected by the Clone Wars, and witness what small happiness our facilities of entertainment and relaxation afford them. While the Senate is more than capable of allotting funds for the procurement of medical facilities and other such needed buildings, staff and resources, we would ask Senator and majority share-holder Taja Lohden to graciously donate thirty percent of her takings for the next three years, to ensure the ongoing progress of this bill and its implimentation".

As the majority share-holder of most of Kaal's tourism trade, the decision falls to me to answer the pleas of my people, and I say yes. If this vote is passed, I will graciously donate thirty percent of my intake over the next three years, to help alleviate any financial concerns the bill raises within the Senate, and to help the motion itself pass the scrutiny of its Senators.

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Crin_StarDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 8:16 AM | Message # 10
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"And to join in with this magnanimous offer from the people of Kaal, Volus will donate a full third of our planetary surplus over the next three years as well to help alleviate any financial concerns of the senate and would further encourage any planets that are fiscally able to join in with us in a true statement of thanks and gratitude to the veterans of the Clone wars.
 
Sate_PestageDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 1:11 PM | Message # 11
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A point of information. Clones from the Old Republic era (and the clones who currently comprise the Stormtrooper Corps.) are regarded as property of the state. They do not retire, and all of their required medical expenses, including end of life decisions, are covered and, if necessary, carried out by the Imperial Army. I do not have the figures of how many clones from the Clone Wars era are with us still, but I believe, with growth acceleration, they are few. I hope this is helpful to you all in considering this measure.

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Senator_CambristDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 1:47 PM | Message # 12
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If that is the case, and clones are not at issue here, I assume this proposal deals primarily with veterans from planetary defense forces. My question, then, is why must all worlds, including mine, financially support veterans from Kaal and Volus? Is this not the responsibility of your governments, Senators? If you wish to care for your own veterans, might I suggest you take the not-inconsiderable sums of credits you are promising here and devote them, instead, to their care? I do not mean to sound callous, but Brentaal has no veterans from the Clone Wars, and I do not see why it must pay for yours. I may be the only Senator who has made this point, but I believe I speak for many.

 
Taja_LohdenDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 2:08 PM | Message # 13
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I do not believe it was Senator Star's intent to demand that all must pay for these veterans, only those that are willing. I did not pledge a donation because I had to, Senator Cambrist, but because my people asked it of me, and I felt it reasonable to do so. This is, afterall, an act that will benefit those we owe our lives to.

The real issue here, I believe, is the state making provisions and exceptions so that those planets that do have war veterans may take care of them. Brentaal, having no veterans, will probably remain unaffected by the passing of this vote, but this being Senator Star's proposal, I'll leave it to her to do the talking.

 
Senator_CambristDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 2:46 PM | Message # 14
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Ostensibly, yes. But these tax incentives will mean less revenue for the Empire. In other words, the credits that Kaal and Volus will keep under this legislation are credits that the Empire will not have, and will not be spending on something else, such as, perhaps, providing for our current soldiers adequately. Or—the reason this is of concern to Brentaal—the Empire may not be spending these credits on customs enforcement, or commercial security, or research and development, or education, or, of course, defense. These are things that are important to Brentaal, and to all worlds. To be clear, I do not dismiss the sacrifices that these individuals have made for their worlds. But they did it for their worlds, and I feel it is their worlds that should repay this debt of gratitude. Brentaal simply does not owe anything to the veterans of Kaal or Volus. Nor, it could be argued, does the Empire (vis'a'vis its predecessor, the Republic). It cannot be denied that the war was predominantly fought by clones, and that the Empire already cares for them. It does not seem unreasonable to expect worlds to do their part and care for their own veterans. I find it hard to believe that Volus, with its budget surplus, or Kaal, with its tourism revenue, really need these tax incentives.

Again, I apologize if this is obdurate of me. I simply feel that, sentimentality aside, this is an issue that must be considered pragmatically.


 
Taja_LohdenDate: Tuesday, 16 Nov 2010, 2:50 PM | Message # 15
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Forgive me for speaking again, when Senator Star has had no opportunity to have her own views aired, but I need to clarify one further statement. Kaal does, indeed, play host to several veterans each year, but we have none of our own. We simply see many passing through our world to take advantage of our resorts, for some peaceful time away from the woes of everyday life.

It is perhaps for this reason that I and Kaal believe it necessary to make provisions for the continued and improving wellbeing of those veterans, though I feel I have spoken enough on the matter. I have laid Kaal's standpoint out there, and the debate is now Senator Star's to answer to, this being her bill.

 
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