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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Wednesday, 08 Jun 2011, 7:13 PM | Message # 16 |
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| I've followed Senator Cerra's advice (to "look at yourselves before you start to look to others for faults"), and I've decided I have no faults and nothing to hide from Governor Oswaldt or anyone else. I vote in favor of this committee and I suspect the Governor, as its chairman, will occasion quite a bit of amusement in the months to follow. And if he abuses his authority, as so many seem to fear, he can be censured for doing so and removed as chairman. But I for one feel that the Governor, even with his (many) faults, can be counted on to be vigilant on ethics.
To be clear, however, I do not support Senator North's amendment.
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| Robert_North | Date: Thursday, 09 Jun 2011, 0:33 AM | Message # 17 |
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| What is so funny about this proposal, Senator Cerra? And I am yet to hear from a single member of the opposition, a legitimate reason how Governor Oswaldt, or myself, the Chairman of the Oversight Committee, which handles Senate ethics already, chosen by the Throne and the Chair, are unethical and unqualified for the proposed positions, original legislation or amended, or for current standing positions for that matter. These baseless accusations must stop, and if censures, suspensions, even outright expulsions, must occur to cease what is equivalent to screaming "FIRE!" in the middle of a crowded building, in this Senate, the Oversight Committee will begin making such recommendation to the Chair.
To look at myself, Senator Cerra, I represent my people, those of Imperial Center... all of my people, not just some of them. I do not drink, I do not partake in the night life, I do not gallivant and flaunt my position to everyone possible, I do not try to find a mate in every individual properly equipped with the correct reproductive organs. I do, however, spend time with my wife when I can, I do visit my children when it is possible between my work schedule and theirs, I do visit, have over, and spend time with my grandchildren as much as possible, I do tour sections of Imperial Center as much as possible, I do make myself accessible to the people of my constituency, I did remove myself from any position of direct authority in my constituency upon being elected to this body, I am still up for election and always will be and always have been. I do not abuse my position, I do not make baseless claims whenever the mood strikes me or I do not like an individual, I do not associate with unsavory individuals, I do not have any friends that are mentally unstable or on track to become an enemy of the Empire, I do not abuse any substance, legal or illegal; I do not even drink. You will find all my election funds in order, and that since I own all my property at this point, my pay from this Senate goes purely towards paying my taxes, paying my utilities, supporting trust funds I have set up for each of my twelve grandchildren to ensure that they do not suffer from bad decisions or a streak of bad luck that may strike their parents, my six adult children; the rest of my pay goes towards various charities on Imperial Center. I am fifty this year, my wife and I married at the age of eighteen... that is thirty-two years of continuous, uninterrupted marriage, thirty-three by the end of this year. On our wedding anniversary every ten years, I take my wife to the location of our honeymoon as a vacation. That is me... that is who I am; who are you Senator Cerra?
And to address this apparent misconception of ethics, allow to educate you all. You asked earlier, Senator Thanatos, and thank you for supporting this legislation and I do apologize if my words offend for I did not mean to do so, and you deserve an answer. Ethics, as a individual word, concerns moral philosophy; good and evil, right and wrong, virtue and vice, justice and crime, etc. It addresses questions of morality, through debate, and it certainly isn't an exact science. A man is murdered, many would consider that a crime. But if this man is a mass-murderer, and is murdered himself, a supermajority of those out there would say that is justice, however some argue that murder for murder is wrong and a crime itself; the concept of two wrongs do not make a right. Who is wrong in this debate? Is there truly a right answer? That is ethics as a singular word. So, looking at that, an Ethics Committee would debate on what is right and wrong actions in regards to the Senate. What makes Governor Oswaldt so disqualified to argue what is right and wrong?
However, this is not quiet what an Ethics committee does. A school of philosophical thought is not what an Ethics committee is about. The duties of a traditional legislative Ethics committee are: Setting rules that regulate what behavior is considered ethical for members, such as rules relating to gifts, travel, campaign activities, treatment of staff, conflicts of interest, etc.; Conducts investigations into whether members have violated these standards; Makes recommendations to the whole legislature on what action, if any, should be taken as a result of the investigations, such as censure, suspension, expulsion, or nothing if the member is found not to be violating a rule; Providing advice to members before they, the members, take action, so as to avoid uncertainty over ethical culpability. In this regard, the duty of which this committee, or subcommittee, would be responsible, how is Governor Oswaldt, againt, disqualified from chairing such?
The Honorable R.C.W. North
Senator of Imperial Center
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee Mayor of the Galactic/Imperial City (22 BBY-18 BBY)
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Friday, 10 Jun 2011, 11:49 AM | Message # 18 |
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| Sluis Van, cannot, in good conscience, endorse a vote of favor so long as Governor Oswaldt is suggested as the chair and so long as the amendment is in place. We would prefer to see someone with a little less... how shall we say, narrow, viewpoint as the chairman.
Toben Domon
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| Slai-Fon | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 1:46 AM | Message # 19 |
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| Sena- Er Governor. Oswaldt is an fine man, just with different views on things. Such as him being sexist and racist. It's just his view of things.
I'm in favor of the Idea it's self, but with alien races in the imperial senate we should have a senator that's more... friendly to others.
No disrespect to you, Governor.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
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| Nasir | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 1:48 AM | Message # 20 |
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| Abregado-San votes in favor.
Emir(Governor) Nasir Baqri of Abregado San
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 10:23 AM | Message # 21 |
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| Good man, Senator Baqri. I've always said Abregado-san is a world that knows how to treat women right. I dont know what to say to Anobis though.. you dont think I should have the job because I'm not "friendly "? Maybe the head of the Ethics COmmittee shouldnt be "friendly". But at least your not like all these others ignoring my qualification for this job and voting against because they "disagree" with me as if they have some right to have everyone agree with them. Disappointed in you you Domon.. I thought you were one of the good ones. And ignoring Senator NOrth too.. tsk. People like Senator Cerra keep showing us why this Ethics COmmitte is needed and I think its obvious people like me and North are the ones you want to put an end to this flamethrowing. And you want to know about me, Senator Cerra.. I was in the Subadult Scouts and I served with honor in the Republic Navy and Imperial Navy. I was wounded and medically discharged.. Im the proud father of 4 to 6 children and I stand by every decision Ive made as Governor and every decision Ive made in my life. I dont know about you..
Senators, Ive never broken a law or taken a bribe and no one gets special treatment from me. Its like Cambrist said people.. you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear from me. But if I get this job dont think I'll forget who voted against me
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 10:34 AM | Message # 22 |
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| Quote (Johannes_Oswaldt) Its like Cambrist said people.. you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear from me. But if I get this job dont think I'll forget who voted against me
Ladies and Gentlemen, there it is. Senator Oswaldt, I ask you, is it Ethical to imply that the first thing you do on the job if you are voted chairman of the Ethics Committee, is to go after those that voted against you. If that is your intent, then you, yourself have just proven as to why there are Senators voting against your appointment to the Chair of the Committee. It would be highly unethical for you to use your new position as the chair of the committee to openly go after those Senators who voted against you, and show your prejudice against those that did not vote for you.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 10:49 AM | Message # 23 |
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| Sorry to wake you up from this wet dream of yours.. I was talking about who i'll appoint to be on the committee. Someone who votes against the committee itself is obviously not going to be on my shortlist. Or right wing demagogues who demand that everyone agree with them, either
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 10:52 AM | Message # 24 |
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| Senator Oswaldt, you've also just implied that you would only appoint your friends and those that voted for you on the committee. Once more I ask, is it Ethical to appoint your friends and those that voted for you, instead of appointing those to the committee that would do the best, rather than sling around false accusations of Senators being rebels.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 11:00 AM | Message # 25 |
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| Senator Zarcaine, whatever your talking about reeks of the place you pulled it out of. Im done listening to this filth and if you keep attacking me just because I pointed out what a damn fool your uncle is I'll see you in court for slandering my name.. Talk about "false accusations".. and here youre trying to pose as "ethical"! You of all people, who's voting against an Ethics COmmittee. What a joke.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 11:07 AM | Message # 26 |
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| As Senator Fowlkes said "I am in support of an Ethic Sub-committee, and I am also in support of Senate Ethics Committee."
Thus I vote in favour.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 11:09 AM | Message # 27 |
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| Being rather an expert on Ethics through the extensive study of Human Rights Law and having published many papers on this topic, I feel more versed in the issue than most to comment. I thus give this Committee my resounding endorsement and vote in favour of the committee.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 11:12 AM | Message # 28 |
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| Senator Ordan your also a libel lawyer, arent you? Can you comment on whether I have a case against Zarcaine for slander? He's making up wild fabrications about me that he cant possibly prove..
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Saturday, 11 Jun 2011, 11:43 AM | Message # 29 |
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| Yes Governor Oswaldt. I have studied libel law for a time and am familiar with the legal codes which would be relevant. Commenting as an expert on this matter I must say that I am astonished by the words of Senators Kuroyashi and Fowlkes.. To accuse one of being "speciesist" "sexist" is clearly done with the intention of damaging their reputation or standing, as you have never been convicted of xenophobia or sexism by any court, to accuse you of being such is clearly unwarranted, I would highlight you would be entitled to also litigate for lost earnings.
May I heartily suggest litigating in the Axum Sector, which allows legal action for any libel published in its borders, even if the original statement was not made within those borders. Equally to accuse you of unethical practice (when you simply have stated a perfectly legitimate intention) is also a clear slander.
That said, Senator Zarcaine has already had to recant his ill advised statements in the past, and may I suggest that he does the same again here. He is obviously poorly informed of parliamentary language and also of patriotism. I would say that a Senator who attacks the morals of our own system and casts wild accusations of war crimes at our military is nothing more than a ranting loon, ill fitted for a seat in a modern legislature.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 13 Jun 2011, 12:48 PM | Message # 30 |
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| Gentlemen, order please. The chair encourages (but does not endorse) this measure, because the Empire supports any ethical standards the Senate may wish to hold itself to. However, I must remind Governor Oswaldt that the chairs of committees are not elected by the Senate, they are appointed to the position and serve at the pleasure of the Emperor. Senators are instructed to consider this measure's endorsement of Governor Oswaldt to be an advisory measure only, not a binding one. Should this committee be approved, the Emperor will consider as its chair Governor Oswaldt, Senator Ryuun, and other qualified individuals.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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