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Recall of Senator Veritas
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Friday, 09 Sep 2011, 2:02 PM | Message # 1 |
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| For too long and on far too many issues the Defense Committee has been dormant, without comment or guidance from its chair, Senator Veritas of Deralia. Yes, the Senator is a fine man who endured recent medical trauma. But the votes he has cast in this chamber are few and far between, and seldom has the Defense Committee under his leadership contributed meaningfully (or even accurately) to the discussion of defense related issues. Indeed, on multiple occasions Senator Veritas has been challenged on a matter of defense policy and has not deigned to respond, leaving confusion in the highest echelons of the Imperial defense establishment. I would also note that throughout this, the Senator's world of Deralia has been blessed with an abundance of surplus Imperial ships and shields as a consequence of his chairmanship of the Defense Committee.
Again, Senator Veritas is a good man and has been a good friend to Brentaal. But this is not a reason why the Defense Committee should be marginalized because of a lack of leadership when it should be present in Senate discussions and advising us on defense issues. But it is not doing so, perhaps because the Senator requires more time to recover from his medical incident than he suspected. Whatever the reason, there are Senators who can do this job better than Senator Veritas has and they should have a chance to do so. I vote in favor.
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 09 Sep 2011, 2:05 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I am concerned for Senator Veritas, he has been a fine patriot and Senator in his time, but perhaps it is indeed time for him to call his distinguished career to an end presently. I would be curious to hear Senator Veritas' views on this matter.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Friday, 09 Sep 2011, 2:07 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Ordan, I would be curious to hear the views of Senator Veritas on any matter.
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| Slai-Fon | Date: Friday, 09 Sep 2011, 2:10 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Come now, Senator Veritas is a fine being, like all of us, he has his flaws. Reminds us that we are human.... But yes.. He has been a bit absent lately, I'll hold my vote until A few other senator's speak, or Veritas speaks to us.
Slai-Fon Youngblood, Senator of Anobis, and the Bright Jewel sector
Chairman of ISEC (Imperial Senate Ethic's Committee.)
Chairman & CEO of K/Y deep.
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Friday, 09 Sep 2011, 2:13 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I vote in favor. If I am to be verbally assaulted for my leave of absence from the Senate, I expect other Senators to face the same punishment.
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| Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Friday, 09 Sep 2011, 2:17 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Veritas is a fine man. However, because of his medical condition, and his inability to respond in so long, I believe it is time to choose someone else to run the Defense Committee. It is not fair for everyone, including Senator Veritas himself, to keep the Defense Committee the way they are now. Besides, wouldn't we be doing the man a favor if we appoint someone else? It would ease his medical burden, wouldn't it? I vote in favor.
Tremaine Fowlkes
Senator of Telos IV
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Saturday, 10 Sep 2011, 6:46 AM | Message # 7 |
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| I vote in favor as well.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Monday, 12 Sep 2011, 2:24 PM | Message # 8 |
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| I understand that Senator Vertias medical condition, among other things keeps him away from this chamber and, apparently, his duties as the Chairman of the Defense Committee. And forgive me if I am being sensitive to his situation, but, I would hope that the chamber would allow him to speak for himself before just removing him from the position. Perhaps appoint a chair in lieu of his absence until such time that he is able to either confirm or deny his ability to further head the committee?
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Monday, 12 Sep 2011, 2:28 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Thanatos, we see multiple times eye to eye, but if being the Chairman of the Defense Committee is took much a burden to the good Senator and his health, then I say we appoint someone perhaps younger and in good health to take his position for good. We cannot sit back and allow as Senator Vertias keeps making hospital trips multiple times. Such trips obviously takes it toll on the work of the committee as well as Senator Vertias.
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 13 Sep 2011, 0:04 AM | Message # 10 |
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| While it is not unreasonable to accommodate Senator Veritas on account of his condition, there does come a point when doing so is unreasonable if it hinders a crucial Senate committee of which he is the chairman. I agree with Senator Ray on this point, and agree with him also that if the Senator's condition has persisted he should have appointed a co-chair or an interim one to assume his duties in the event of his absence. But considering that one motion to recall Senator Veritas has already been tabled in the past, I don't think it can be said that the Senate has not accommodated him to a reasonable and indeed generous degree.
That said, however, I am of course not averse to the Senator speaking for himself on this matter. I welcome him to do so now, in fact.
*Cambrist's gaze—and with it, the Senate's gaze—drifted to the Deralian delegation, where Senator Veritas could be seen idly shuffling through flimplast notes in a vacant and uncomprehending manner that struck Cambrist as faintly sad.*
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 18 Sep 2011, 0:34 AM | Message # 11 |
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| As this has taken a huge amount of time and the Senator of Deralia given so much time to answer I can only vote in favour. I cannot vote to keep a senator who has for the last several months appeared to shirk his duty and has failed to rule on key defense matters.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Monday, 19 Sep 2011, 0:02 AM | Message # 12 |
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| ((I would like to ask that the autos of the Defense Committee as whole when in disagreement with me, leading to my abandoning of threads due to such cheap tactics, and autos of my character within Senate thread, cease, please.))
There appears to be some confusion, I see, within the Senate. That is unfortunate. My absence has apparently been greatly exaggerated as I have been on leave for the past month, attending to family matters on my homeworld. During this time, Ranking Member of the Defense Committee, Senator Zafiel Snopps of Corulag, has been leading the committee. Now that I have returned from personal leave, leadership of the Defense Committee is once more under my hand and the Deralian delegation is once more within its pod in the Senate. Now, shall we continue with the day's business and table this unnecessary motion?
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 19 Sep 2011, 0:48 AM | Message # 13 |
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| (( It wasn't only because I was in disagreement with you but because you were using the Defense Committee to unnecessarily and arbitrarily kill otherwise reasonable proposals and make the author look like a fool for proposing them in the first place, and also making assertions about defense policy that aren't practical and at the very least should involve consultation with managers or at least with someone else on what the reality of a situation is rather than one person asserting his opinion and ideas as the reality. If such assertions are made without consultation with managers or with anyone else it seems reasonable to me that differing schools of thought OOC should be represented in the RP as dissenting voices on the Defense Committee that Senator Veritas has not listened to. In the examples cited Veritas makes dismissive assertions about policy on retirement of clones and inspection of planetary shields that are not at all obvious or even necessarily practical and would have instantly killed both threads if there was no mention of dissenting views. Even now, your assertion about Zafiel Snopps having been running the Defense Committee all this time comes close to mocking this entire thread and making all the characters involved look like ignorant fools when a bit more contrition might be due under the circumstances. I'll go with it, however. ))
Senator Veritas, I will be content to withdraw this motion with your assurance that a permanent co-chair or "deputy" chair be designated to take your place in the event of future absences. My concern, and I think the concern of many Senators, is that the Defense Committee not become stagnant in the absence of its chairman, as it has undeniably been on occasions past.
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| Titus_Veritas | Date: Monday, 19 Sep 2011, 1:44 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Senator Cambrist, you indeed have my assurance that I was observe the Senate for a more visible Ranking Member to be appointed to the Defense Committee, following Senator Snopps retirement at the end of this legislative session. I do take your critique to heart, however, in regards to the Committee, which has indeed become stagnant these past few weeks. We are in fact beginning the first of several upcoming meetings and hearings on defense legislation and policy that is being proposed by various members. Should any member wish to propose defense legislation, and seek the guidance or review of the Defense Committee, I merely require a message stating such for the meeting to be arranged.
Viceroy Titus Veritas, House Veritas
Consul of the House of Lords
Former Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (50 BBY - 30 BBY, 18 BBY - 10 BBY)
Former Chairman of the Imperial Senate Defense Committee (18 BBY - 10 BBY)
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 11 Oct 2011, 2:10 AM | Message # 15 |
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| As raised to my attention by Moff Winder and Senator Oriel, the Defense Council has failed (as has become par for the course) an act it opposed (the Second Capital Vessels Act). As such I call for this motion to remain active.
No effort has been made to proceed against the Cronese Mandate for its flagrant breach of this act and its continued military buildup, Senator Veritas has shown himself either unable or incompetant to enforce the law, how can we have a safe Galaxy is all the Defense Council is responsible for is pooh poohing laws it dislikes and makes no effort to make positive moves when asked to comment on defense policy.
Equally, the Defense Committee has been used as a purse for Senator Veritas to bolster the Deralian defenses - which I am told now exceed any other world in the region (having a planetary shield generator, brand new corvettes and a Venator-class Star Destroyer)!
I restate my vote in favour and again call for the resignation of Senator Veritas with immediate effect.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Message edited by Senator_Ordan - Monday, 17 Oct 2011, 11:50 PM |
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