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A New Mandate for the Cronese
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 05 Jan 2012, 4:22 AM | Message # 1 |
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The Cronese Mandate has been having a few hiccups recently, but I do firmly believe in the administration of King Robeir XXII. Thus I would like to propose the following rewrite of his Mandate to help entrench his Governance, but also to help diffuse power down to the people of the Cronese Mandate. As an Imperial Mandate I believe that it is our responsibility to make sure that standards change and improve with the times, and I believe this re-write helps establish that.
This Mandate will help secure a better, safer, Cronese Mandate for everyone. This Mandate will secure the rights of the Cronese People, Imperial Citizens and Cronese Government by having a clear and concise governing document.
Thus I propose the following.
Mandate for Cronese Space
The Senate of the Galactic Empire:
Whereas the Senate has agreed, for the purpose of Governing that dispirate region, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Senate and Throne the administration of the territory of "Cronese Space", which formerly belonged to the Tion Cluster, within such boundaries as were fixed by the previous Mandate.
Whereas the Imperial Senate have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the protection and chastisement of the Cronese people after their widespread and numerous revolts against His Imperial Majesty in the Clone Wars, and their improvement into model citizens.
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Cronese people with the region in which they live.
Whereas the Imperial Senate has selected King Robeir XXIII as the Mandatory for the Cronese people and Lord Protector under the Emperor of the Algor system, Arcan system, Argai system, Arramanx system, Barancar system, Chandaar system, Corlass system, Derellium system, Duinarbulon system, Eibon system, Foran Tutha system, Gadon system, Janilis system, Kismaano system, Nuswatta system, Oor system, Panna system, Pasmin system and Soruus system.
Whereas King Robeir XXII has accepted the mandate in respect of the Cronese and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the throne and Imperial Senate in conformity with the following provisions; and
Confirming the said mandate, defines its terms as follows:
Article 1
The Mandatory shall have full powers of administration of the Mandate in obedience to Imperial Law. His sphere of influence is the 464 Inhabited worlds (including the Algor system, Arcan system, Argai system, Arramanx system, Barancar system, Chandaar system, Corlass system, Derellium system, Duinarbulon system, Eibon system, Foran Tutha system, Gadon system, Janilis system, Kismaano system, Nuswatta system, Oor system,Panna system, Pasmin system and Soruus system) as well as the traditionally Cronese uninhabited worlds.
He may appoint ministers as he chooses to Administrate his Mandate.
Article 2
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the New Order, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and economic rights of all the men of the space within his parview. Unjust economic measures shall not be imposed. Exploitation of deep space resources shall be done in accordance with Imperial Law, where existing claims are already registered to the Mandatory he may exercise them (such as over uninhabited worlds customarily exploited by said Mandatory) profits of exploitation of uninhabited worlds resources shall be shared with all worlds within the Mandate and the Empire generally (via statutory taxes).
Article 3
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy with regard to governance. Thus the Mandatory shall make no attempt to interfere in the Governance of individual worlds within the Mandate so long as they conduct themselves in an ethical manner, loyal to the Emperor.
Article 4
Legislative power will be vested in a popular assembly elected by the Cronese people, with one official sitting for every ten million citizens. Elections to be held annually. Simple majority decisions are adequate for decision making.
This popular assembly shall be known as the "Cronese People's Council". The People's Council shall elect a Chair. The Cronese People's Council have the power to petition the Mandatory and to overturn his decisions with a 2/3 majority.
The Chairman of the Cronese People's Council should be consulted before major decisions effecting members of the Mandate are made. Economic regulation, trade barriers and taxation shall be within the parview of the Cronese People's Council not the Mandatory.
Article 5
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Cronese territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power. This does not abridge the right of worlds within the Mandate to do so within their own spheres of influence.
In order to do this he shall be authorized to raise a fleet and army (under Imperial supervision) for the defence of his Mandate.
The defence and government of the Mandatory shall be funded by a sector wide income tax of up 5% which he is authorized to collect if he requires. Further taxation shall require the consent of the People's Council.
Article 6
The Administration of the Mandate, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced (and that local government rights are not infringed), shall facilitate Cronese immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, close settlement by the Cronese Refugeess on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.
The Mandatory shall attempt to bring the level of Economic regulation down to that of the neighbouring Sectors to assure a policy whereby they may trade easily in the Mandate.
Article 7
The Administration of the Cronese Mandate shall make no law discriminating against Imperial Citizens, nor conduct foreign policy in a manner hostile to it's neighbours, nor embark upon aggressive campaigns against Imperial Citizens.
Article 8
The Mandatory shall maintain a fleet so far as it is useful to defend his Mandate. This fleet must obey all rules applied to Imperial Planets etc.
Article 9
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in the Cronese Mandate shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives and Imperial Citizens, a complete guarantee of their rights.
Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their economic interests shall be fully guaranteed.
Article 10
Military research and development shall be allowed (in cooperation with Imperial works) so far as it is cost efficient and in the interests of the Cronese people and the Empire to do so.
The results of all Cronese Research and Development shall be shared with the Galactic Empire.
Article 11
The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of the Cronese Mandate and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers in accordance with Imperial Law. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of the Cronese Mandate when outside its territorial limit.
Article 12
Education within the Cronese Mandate should be conducted in Basic, as should all Government paperwork.
Article 13
The Administration of the Cronese Mandate may organise on a voluntary basis the forces of local worlds when necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the Mandate or Empire, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Galactic Senate. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Cronese Mandate.
Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of the Cronese Mandate from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Empire in the Cronese Mandate.
The Empire shall be entitled at all times to use the roads; maglevs and starports and other transport networks of the Cronese Mandate for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies.
Article 14
The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Cronese Admninistration to all laws and regulations passed by the Imperial Senate or Imperial Edict.
Article 15
The Mandatory shall be empowered, so far as economic, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the Galactic Empire for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals. He shall be empowered to regulate imports of goods.
Article 16
Basic shall be the official language of the Cronese Mandate. Any statement or inscription in Cronese or Tionese shall be accompanied by a Basic translation. As previously stated, all Sector Government should be executed in Basic.
Article 17
The consent of the Imperial Senate or Imperial Ruling Council is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate.
Article 18
In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Imperial Senate shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the Empire, the rights secured by this Mandate, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the Empire, that the Cronese Mandate will fully honour the financial obligations legitimately incurred by Robeir XXII's Administration during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities.
Article 19
Breaches of the Mandate shall be governed and ruled upon by the Imperial Court System, providing impartial protection to all citizens.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Thursday, 05 Jan 2012, 10:36 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Oriel, unless you've not been paying attention, the Cronese Mandate was formed under the order of the Emperor, and much of what you are repeating in this bill has already been established when the Mandate was first created on that order. This bill is redundant to say the least, though I've seen a few points which stand out that deserve to be looked at.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Whereas the Imperial Senate has selected King Robeir XXII as the Mandatory for the Cronese people and Lord Protector under the Emperor
It was the Emperor, not the Imperial Senate that selected Lord Robeir XXII to rule the Cronese Mandate.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 1
The Mandatory shall have full powers of administration of the Mandate as a whole. His sphere of influence is the 464 Inhabited worlds (including the Algor system, Arcan system, Argai system, Arramanx system, Barancar system, Chandaar system, Corlass system, Derellium system, Duinarbulon system, Eibon system, Foran Tutha system, Gadon system, Janilis system, Kismaano system, Nuswatta system, Oor system,Panna system, Pasmin system and Soruus system) as well as the traditionally Cronese uninhabited worlds.
He may appoint ministers as he chooses to Administrate his Mandate.
Many of these worlds were already under the Administration of the House of Cron during the Clone Wars, which made the transition in the forming of the Cronese Mandate, when the Empire was founded, a much easier task. As only a few of the worlds had supported the Separatist, and studies have shown that it was the Tionese and not Cronese that supported the Separatist movement.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 2
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the New Order, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and economic rights of all the men of the space within his parview. Unjust economic measures shall not be imposed. Exploitation of deep space resources shall be done in accordance with Imperial Law, where existing claims are already registered to the Mandatory he may exercise them (such as over uninhabited worlds customarily exploited by said Mandatory) profits of exploitation of uninhabited worlds resources shall be shared with all worlds within the Mandate and the Empire generally (via statutory taxes).
The Mandate has already supported and continued to support the New Order, and has already formed around those ideals. To say that we must be responsible for that which we've already done and accomplished is yet again redundant. Claiming "unjust economic measures" is yet another jab at the Cronese Mandate and the false rumors that it is a bad place to "invest." Those laws already put into place that so many people seem to complain and claim are "unjust" where put there to ensure that the native flora and fauna are protected, which means that non-native flora and fauna require permits to carry and to sell to ensure that we have a record of all sales and transactions, in the event that one of the non-native flora or fauna is introduced to the Cronese Mandate ecosystem, we are able to track the starting point so that we are able to fine the party responsible for damaging the native ecosystem of the Mandate. Many of the resources on the uninhabited worlds have already been accounted for and discovered many years before our time, as well as having been cataloged, the Mandate is able to ensure that these resources are available to the Emperor at any given time. There are worlds though that are off limits as they contain facilities with sensitive information, and as such, those world will be left nameless to the public.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 3
The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy with regard to governance. Thus the Mandatory shall make no attempt to interfere in the Governance of individual worlds within the Mandate so long as they conduct themselves in an ethical manner, loyal to the Emperor.
The House of Cron has always practiced this and has seen no problem between the worlds and how they've conducted themselves. The House of Cron and the Cronese Senate have only stepped in when needed and when asked by the Cronese people to do so.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 4
Legislative power will be vested in a popular assembly elected by the Cronese people, with one official sitting for every ten million citizens. Elections to be held annually. Simple majority decisions are adequate for decision making.
This popular assembly shall be known as the "Cronese People's Council". The People's Council shall elect a Chair. The Cronese People's Council have the power to petition the Mandatory.
The Chairman of the Cronese People's Council should be consulted before major decisions effecting members of the Mandate are made. Economic regulation, trade barriers and taxation shall be within the parview of the Cronese People's Council.
Again, this is redundant, to require the Cronese Mandate hold a system which already exists. There is already a Cronese Mandate Senate, which hold elections every four years, and each world of the Cronese Mandate that is inhabited has its own representative within the Senate. There is also the fact that each world has its own Senate as well, all this article would seek to do is change the names from the Cronese Mandate Senate, into the "Cronese People's Council" which seemed unneeded.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 5
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Cronese territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power.
In order to do this he shall be authorized to raise a fleet and army (under Imperial supervision) for the defence of his Mandate.
The defence and government of the Mandatory shall be funded by a sector wide income tax of up 5% which he is authorized to collect if he requires. Further taxation shall require the consent of the People's Council.
Again, redundant, in the fact that when the Cronese Mandate was first formed on the order of the Emperor, this was already established that the Cronese Mandate would keep an active fleet. One that would defend the Emperor's worlds in the Cronese Mandate, and ensure that his resources are protected. As such there is also an Imperial Birth located at Chandaar, in which the Imperial Fleet is able to refuel and rest before once more going out on their missions and patrols.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 6
The Administration of the Mandate, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced (and that local government rights are not infringed), shall facilitate Cronese immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, close settlement by the Cronese Refugeess on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.
Once more another article that is Redundant as these ideas are already practiced.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 7
The Administration of the Cronese Mandate shall make no law discriminating against Imperial Citizens, nor conduct foreign policy in a manner hostile to it's neighbours, nor embark upon aggressive campaigns against Imperial Citizens.
Once more another article that is Redundant. No law has been made in the Mandate that discriminates against any Imperial Citizens, and no foreign policy has been made that is hostile to the neighbors around us, nor have we ever embarked up any aggressive campaign against Imperial Citizens.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 8
The Mandatory shall maintain a fleet so far as it is useful to defend his Mandate. This fleet must obey all rules applied to Imperial Planets etc.
This article also is redundant, though we find it to also be hypocritical. The Mandate already maintains a fleet to defend the Mandate, however, if we only used it for defense, then the Vjun station that sits so close to the border of the Cronese Mandate would be destroyed by now, had our fleet not stepped in with an aggressive motion to ensure that it wasn't destroyed. If you wish to put that we may only use out fleet in Defense, then I'd like to see the same restriction and action be used on all Imperial Worlds, to ensure no hypocrisy.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 9
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in the Cronese Mandate shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives and Imperial Citizens, a complete guarantee of their rights.
Respect for the personal status of the various peoples and communities and for their economic interests shall be fully guaranteed.
Yet again redundant as the Cronese Mandate court already practices this.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 10
Military research and development shall be allowed (in cooperation with Imperial works) so far as it is cost efficient and in the interests of the Cronese people and the Empire to do so.
The results of all Cronese Research and Development shall be shared with the Galactic Empire.
The Cronese Mandate at this time is currently not conducting any Military R&D, The Empire has also already been informed of the vessel designs that we've already created, as well as the first line prototypes that current serve in the Mandate fleet. This information has been shared first with the Empire, mainly the Imperial Navy.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 11
The Mandatory shall be entrusted with the control of the foreign relations of the Cronese Mandate and the right to issue exequaturs to consuls appointed by foreign Powers in accordance with Imperial Law. He shall also be entitled to afford diplomatic and consular protection to citizens of the Cronese Mandate when outside its territorial limit.
The Cronese Mandate already practices this already, unless such a case requires the individual to be extradited out of the Cronese Mandate to another court of law.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 12
Education within the Cronese Mandate should be conducted in Basic, as should all Government paperwork.
Once more this is a redundant article as it is already practiced.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 13
The Administration of the Cronese Mandate may organise on a voluntary basis the forces of local worlds when necessary for the preservation of peace and order, and also for the defence of the Mandate or Empire, however, to the supervision of the Mandatory, but shall not use them for purposes other than those above specified save with the consent of the Galactic Senate. Except for such purposes, no military, naval or air forces shall be raised or maintained by the Cronese Mandate.
Nothing in this article shall preclude the Administration of the Cronese Mandate from contributing to the cost of the maintenance of the forces of the Empire in the Cronese Mandate.
The Empire shall be entitled at all times to use the roads; maglevs and starports and other transport networks of the Cronese Mandate for the movement of armed forces and the carriage of fuel and supplies.
The Cronese Mandate already has established an armed forces, known as the "Cronese Mandate Security Forces" that are used in the defense of Mandate worlds. These forces are established on all inhabited worlds in the Cronese Mandate, and act according to law. The CMSF has never been organized to act as an invasion force against any world, nor has the Imperial forces been impeded in their use of the infrastructure of the Cronese Mandate worlds.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 14
The Mandatory shall adhere on behalf of the Cronese Admninistration to all laws and regulations passed by the Imperial Senate or Imperial Edict.
The Mandate already adheres to the laws that have been passed, and such this is yet another redundant article.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 15
The Mandatory shall be empowered, so far as economic, social and other conditions may permit, in the execution of any common policy adopted by the Galactic Empire for preventing and combating disease, including diseases of plants and animals. He shall be empowered to regulate imports of goods.
This article is yet another redundant piece, as the Cronese Mandate already has established a Health Ministry as well as a Center for Disease Control, or the Cronese Mandate CDC, which looks after the health of the people, which often not only adheres and executes the policy adopted by the Empire for combating diseases, yet also adheres and executes the policies put in place by the Cronese Mandate Senate.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 16
Basic shall be the official language of the Cronese Mandate. Any statement or inscription in Cronese or Tionese shall be accompanied by a Basic translation. As previously stated, all Sector Government should be executed in Basic.
This is already practiced through out the Mandate, however, with that being said, it is important to know that many personal and private transcripts as well as government documents within the Mandate, excluding those sent to the Empire, are still written in Cronese, as it is the primary culture of the region.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 17
The consent of the Imperial Senate or Imperial Ruling Council is required for any modification of the terms of this mandate.
We find this as redundant, yet again, as it was the Emperor who on his order formed the Cronese Mandate, as such it should be to the consent of the Imperial Ruling Council, who acts in his stead that should be required to modify any terms on an already established order of the Mandate.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 18
In the event of the termination of the mandate hereby conferred upon the Mandatory, the Imperial Senate shall make such arrangements as may be deemed necessary for safeguarding in perpetuity, under guarantee of the Empire, the rights secured by this Mandate, and shall use its influence for securing, under the guarantee of the Empire, that the Cronese Mandate will fully honour the financial obligations legitimately incurred by Robeir XXII's Administration during the period of the mandate, including the rights of public servants to pensions or gratuities.
We find this unneeded, as it suggest that the House of Cron would not be loyal to the Empire, which it is, and that the Cronese Mandate would incur a debt to the Empire, which would be false. The Cronese Mandate does not like being in debt, and as such we pay for any and all of our financial obligations.
Quote (Bernard_Oriel) Article 19
Breaches of the Mandate shall be governed and ruled upon by the Imperial Court System, providing impartial protection to all citizens.
This was already established when the Emperor gave the order to form the Cronese Mandate, and is unneeded in this form.
Considering that this bill is filled with redundant policies, I ask that the Chair close this measure. The Emperor had already established the Cronese Mandate on these ideals and as such has already spoken that which this article merely copies and says again. I do not believe that the Emperor needs to be reminded of something that he's already said, or established.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 05 Jan 2012, 2:23 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Technicalities aside, I accept that the Cronese Mandate practices already most of what is in this act. I think the Mandate has a sound government, which is why I want to reinforce and entrench its powers with this act. Don't get me wrong Mr Goodchild, I just seek to protect your Mandate.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Thursday, 05 Jan 2012, 5:47 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Empress Teta abstains from voting on this measure for the moment, but perhaps a suitable compromise would be for the Cronese Mandate to perhaps make a publication of its less commonplace laws? I was reading on the holonet about that gambling business and the arrests made, and it all seemed terrible unnecessary. We live in a very modern age gentlemen, I see no logical reason why such glaring failures to communicate should occur.
In fact, perhaps it would behoove all worlds with laws peculiar to their jurisdictions to publish them in a readily accessible format for travelers and businesses.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
Defense Committee Member
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Saturday, 07 Jan 2012, 8:58 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I support this mandate fully. It's one of the most enlightened governing documents I've seen since the rise of the Empire and a strong statement for personal liberty. I don't know why Senator Oriel is proposing a system of government for the people of the Cronese Mandate that even his people of Vjun don't enjoy, but there's no question that all sentient persons should have a limited government that respects their rights. Even if some of the people of the Cronese Mandate supported the Confederacy, as half the galaxy did in the Clone Wars.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm glad the Cronese Mandate already does this (and I won't vote in favor of this without the support of the Cronese Mandate's senator). But I'd like to see this new mandate—which is far more conservative than Imperial ideology—set in stone so that the people of the Cronese Mandate don't have to depend on the kindness of the King or the Emperor for their rights.
Senator Oriel, I don't know what inspired this but it's a bold repudiation of the Empire's original intent to punish the Cronese people wholesale for the dissent of a few of them that I wouldn't have expected from you. I'm also pleased to see that it eliminates the existing Imperial oversight of Cronese forces. The redundancy aside, I think this is something Senator Goodchild can support, isn't it?
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Saturday, 07 Jan 2012, 9:51 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Senator Fitzgerald, the Cronese Mandate is a loyal Imperial Sector that follows Imperial law that the Emperor has put before us in his decision to first form the Mandate. We find no need to vote on a redundant bill that many of what is in it is already put into effect and up held by the Government of the Cronese Mandate under Lord Robeir XXII. I'll also remind Senator Fitzgerald that the bulk of the Cronese Mandate did not support the Confederacy, and those worlds that had quickly embraced the new ideals of the Empire that replaced the broken and stagnant Republic.
As I've already mentioned, the Mandate has no need to vote on a bill that many of the passages in it are merely copying what is in effect now. The Mandate will Abstain from voting on this bill, and still requests that the chair close it as the Emperor does not need a bill to remind him of his previous actions in creating the Mandate and giving its inhabitants and Imperial citizens freedom from the corrupt ideals of the Republic, and saving those worlds in the Mandate from succumbing to the Industrial drives and wants of the Confederacy.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 8:06 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Redundant - perhaps.
Just - yes.
There is no harm in codifying the present situation nor in strengthening the law. Alsakan cares little for affairs in the Cronese Mandate and believes so long as it remains within its borders it's affairs are its own. Thus with that in mind I vote in favour of this act.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 8:22 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Senator Fitzgerald
I don't believe the intention was to "punish" the Cronese people but to chastise them and bring them back to the norm. As an enlightened Empire it is only appropriate to adjust the conditions of this chastisement to improve the lives of locals and produce increased loyalty and progress. This is not (as I have stated) an attack on the present situation - rather an adjustment and codification of that situation.
Furthermore, it does not disestablish Imperial oversight and as stated its forces will remain "under Imperial supervision".
I also add that the rights of the people of Vjun are extensive and numerous, and although based in some part around property qualifications, this is not uncommon throughout the Galaxy. I do not believe it is inequitable for government to recognise those who have the most invested in the society with larger percentages in the sovereignty of said society, and that is what Vjun does. I especially believe this to be the case in small societies. Furthermore where possible we are implementing reform to encourage the downward flow of capital (where it is beneficial) and thus downflow of political power, reform, as ever, takes time and I believe it would be inappropriate to drag a traditional feudal-democratic hybrid system into a republican or total democratic form of Government overnight. We're working together for a better and brighter future and misleading statements do not help that progress.
In larger societies, where economic and social conditions allow, I am broadly in favour of a system of democracy based around
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Monday, 09 Jan 2012, 5:07 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Oriel, perhaps this has been done so by yourself already, but could you explain, before I may take opportunity, should I find it necesarry, to critique this bill, why a secondary mandate by the Senate is necessary for the Cronese Mandate, when one exists that was written by His Majesty, Emperor Palpatine, personally? Is it truly right, in this government, for the Senate to deem itself needing to step into the realm of the Emperor's prerogative? Within the text of the Imperial Charter, it is stated that the Senate can not question an edict of the Emperor. Senator Oriel, do you believe that you are in fact doing so with this legislation?
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 09 Jan 2012, 5:09 AM | Message # 10 |
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| So far as I am aware the previous Mandate was not written by the Emperor directly, and as I understand it the Chair has no objection to this measure (he has declined to speak against it). We are not questioning Imperial Edict, we are strengthening and improving it, making it leaner and fitter for the modern Empire.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Tuesday, 10 Jan 2012, 4:57 PM | Message # 11 |
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| As Mr. Goodchild pointed out, the proposal is rather redundant. Much like Senator Fitzgerald, I would not feel comfortable in offering support for this proposal unless the Cronese representative does as well. Until such time, Chandrila also abstains from voting.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Tuesday, 10 Jan 2012, 5:46 PM | Message # 12 |
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| I ask that the chair recognize Lord Robeir XXII, Ruler of the House of Cron and King of the Cronese Mandate, whom wishes to speak before the Senate on this bill, and has his own questions to ask of the bill's creator Senator Oriel.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Tuesday, 10 Jan 2012, 9:06 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Before I do, a clarification. The Emperor, of course, did not "personally" write the current mandate; this was delegated to the Imperial Ruling Council in consultation with prominent Cronese and Tionese and also some Senators with interests in the Tion Cluster. However, as the Emperor is the sovereign, the sovereign power of the Cronese Mandate is delegated from him. That is, his blessing is implied. But this doesn't mean he objects in principle to the modification of the current mandate, but it's worth noting that the Emperor bestows sovereignty, not the Senate. Of course, if the Senate passes a revised mandate His Majesty will consider it. In all probability, he will respect the Senate's wishes (but I don't presume to speak for him before the fact and I'll say nothing to prejudice the Senate either for or against this measure).
Indeed, it's logical to me that Robeir be heard on this measure, and so he is recognized.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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| Robeir_XXII | Date: Tuesday, 10 Jan 2012, 9:36 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I thank you Grand Vizier for allowing me to speak in the Senate. I must ask Senator Oriel, why do you feel the need to impose laws on a client state of the empire, when said client state has proven to be loyal, as well as prosperous with its current laws and capable of producing a good sum of wealth for the Empire. What would you, Senator Oriel, want to change specifically about the Mandate as it seems more feasible than proposing an entirely new mandate and tying up Imperial funds and officials needed elsewhere in restructuring something that isn't broken
Head of the House of Cron
Ruler of the Cronese Mandate
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Tuesday, 10 Jan 2012, 11:55 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Robeir XXII, what an unexpected pleasure. As your Senator has pointed out, there is little "reform" in this new Mandate proposal, rather it is mostly codification. We could, yes, amend the Cronese Mandate - but surely it is better to have a fresh new one. The cost of the new Mandate will be minimal I believe (and so my analysts tell me) as the only major changes appear to be administrative or notional. This new Mandate will help wealth flow freely to and from the Tion Cluster.
I also don't like this term "client state". You are not somehow "outside" of the Empire and having laws imposed on you.. your Sector is a Mandated Territory within the Empire and it would be pretentious in the extreme to pretend to any greater or lesser status than that.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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