The Holobooks for the poor Act
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 05 Jan 2012, 4:38 AM | Message # 1 |
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| The Holobooks for the poor Act
The poor of the Galaxy need not remain so, and I believe it is the duty of all good believers in justice to assure reasonable equality of opportunity for them. I believe from the foulest soil that roses can rise, if given the chance.
1. The Empire will set aside 15,000,000 credits to fund cheap holo book readers for economically disadvantaged citizens and to help boost the Vjunite economy by creating a small budding education technology industry.
2. The "Senator Ordan Benevolent Emigration Fund" will be the fund placed in charge of distribution of these funds, as it has especially high levels of contact with displaced people and refugees it is uniquely placed to distribute such a product. The products would be loaned to children (with a small safety deposit or bond being paid by parents) and be available for use at all COMPNOR offices and refugee centers where available, thus helping widen public learning.
3. The Vjunite designed and manufactured "Teknikreader" shall be the device distributed. As it is cheap and robust (designed to survive on Vjun) as well as providing good basic holonet service and holobook reading, it is the ideal device. The initial commission shall be 200,000 devices. Each device shall be preloaded with copies of all essential Imperial literature, as well as basic education and literature books.
4. If the pilot is successful, the Senate shall hear a proposal for rolling out the program further across the Galaxy in six months time, at this stage the viability of further manufacturing centers shall be investigated.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Thursday, 05 Jan 2012, 10:21 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Empress Teta votes in favor of this. We are strong supporters of education.
Lady Avadrie volFyr Senator of Empress Teta Defense Committee Member
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Thursday, 05 Jan 2012, 7:11 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Chandrila also votes very firmly in favor of this. Thank you for proposing it, Senator Oriel. It is quite kind hearted of you.
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Saturday, 07 Jan 2012, 8:32 AM | Message # 4 |
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| Garos IV is in favor of such an act, but is NOT in favor of this one. I am sure other companies would be happy to issue holoreaders to the Empire for a much lower cost. Also just because you are supplying a reader and books to those who are economically challenged does not mean that they will be able to actually read it. If we are discussing adult literacy within this act, there needs to be much for to it than just this.
Of course though, no one seems to agree with my views when it comes to education, as seen in past motions, acts, and bills.
This bill proposes we just throw money and technology at the problem and hope it goes away, it does not get to the root of the problem which in many cases are cultural. If there is no cultural emphasis on literacy than one does not have a reason to attempt to become that, or educated for that matter. In many places around the empire, education is not valued as highly as it is on some our planets, people are struggling to survive. If it is between having shelter and food for your family or going to school, you will choose the one that is the basic necessity for life.
This act is a way to pump more money into Senator Oriel’s planet’s economy. I suggest that if we do agree to do this, we take bids from other companies that create such devices and also include support for those wishing to become more literate.
As the bill is at this moment, Garos votes against it.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Saturday, 07 Jan 2012, 10:36 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I recently read an article on the holonet about the poor people located on Vjun, perhaps it is understandable that Senator Oriel is attempting to generate a means through which those people can be gainfully employed and then also able to purchase these devices for themselves and their children?
Lady Avadrie volFyr Senator of Empress Teta Defense Committee Member
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Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Saturday, 07 Jan 2012, 9:11 PM | Message # 6 |
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| I agree with Senator Cerra. Why not have the charity decide for itself which brand of holoreader to buy and distribute? I applaud the intent of this measure, needless to say, but it's unseemly for the Senator of Vjun under charitable pretenses to require the Empire to fund the purchase of a product manufactured on Vjun. Yes, this is for charity, but it's a government contract all the same and, in my opinion, should be treated as a government contract; with competitive bidding from different manufacturers so that the charity can get the most for its money. Or in this case, the people's money.
I don't support a no bid contract for Vjun.
Eli Fitzgerald Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 2:37 AM | Message # 7 |
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| As Senator VolFyr says, this is a motion not only to enrich the lives of the poor of the Galaxy, to give them the gift of reading, it is a motion to help boost new sections of the Vjunite economy and help build a more productive member of the Empire.
It is a product built by a private company owned by a hardworking cooperative of craftsmen, I believe that it is right to encourage such industry and it is right for the Empire to award contracts based (to an extent) on the development they will produce. Building this reader on Vjun will create many permanent jobs, it will help improve the situation of the Vjunite poor.
The Vjunite Government itself will make no money off this product, and will not be charging import (for components) or export tax upon it - rather we will encourage growth of a new sector which will be dominated by self made men. The earnings produced by this act will help buy an improved standard of living for the Vjunite lower classes - adding to charitable efforts already made by the Upper classes, to help bring the people of Vjun into a new era of prosperity.
This is a redevelopment scheme for the people of Vjun, so I do not believe "bidding" would be appropriate in this case.
Yes, I admit this is a measure which will boost employment on Vjun, and it will also boost literacy across the Galaxy. It is a pilot scheme, and I see no reason why it should not be held on Vjun, where the money and development are most useful. Worlds like Garos IV and Ralltiir are, if not rich, well off - and they are simply being inhuman in failing to understand the positive impact that funding projects like this on smaller worlds brings. I also hasten to add after the trial scheme there is a proposal in the act to expand it's scope to other worlds to allow production to benefit other places where it is needed.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 2:41 AM | Message # 8 |
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| I support Bernard's Act, and I vote in favour. I firmly believe the Benevolent Emigration Fund is well placed to distribute these devices.
I would also like to remind the (twice censured) Senator Cerra that not every citizen of the Galaxy is a planetary ruler, free to expend their funds on baccantine orgies, romps or otherwise.
I think her grounds for opposing this act are extremely un-charitable and extremely miserly, pessimistic and negative. I believe many Aeeqi refugees awaiting resettlement will be helped by an increased opportunity for enrichment, entertainment and education.
This is a sound measure to boost the economy of a sound and hardworking people. Not only the "cheapness" of the readers should be taken into account, but the number and level of standard of living it will create for citizens of a fairly poor world. Let's give them a helping hand.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 7:10 AM | Message # 9 |
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| If you do not know how to read, you do not know how to read, handing a person a holoreader who is unable to read is not going to magically fix the problem. The problem in the first place is that they can't read for whatever reason, they didn't finish school because they were expected to help their families, they have a decoding issue that no one caught during their school years until it was too late, or they don't know how to read in their native language so translating that into Galactic Basic isn't going to work either. The real issue at hand is not the lack of books or things for people to read, but the lack of skills needed to be a fluent reader.
Giving people a reader will not teach them to read geniuses! The ultimate goal of this should be to create a more literate population; this act does not do that. You have not gotten down to the very core of the problem.
And Ordan what in the world does any of that have to do with this?
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 7:42 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Senator Oriels point it would seem is to not only encourage the spread of literacy, but the spread of literature. I think anything which makes reading and learning more attractive is a boon to the galaxy. I do support such initiatives, and I don't have a great problem with giving a Vjunite Charitable Cooperative a small contract to make jobs is a problem.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 7:51 AM | Message # 11 |
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| My point is that you lucked into a huge sum of money and power with no expense in effort - to deny the people of Vjun who wish to work their way to prosperity a small contract is extremely representative of the problems with planetary kingdoms such as yours - where Queens and Kings drink their way through enough high grade ethanol in a night to feed a Vjunite family for a year. My point is that you haven't worked a day in your life so cannot possibly understand the complex socio-economic impact of this bill.
Your degree from the "University of Margharitaville" I believe renders your views fairly null. I have no problem with a tiny tiny percentage of the budget going to aid Vjunite redevelopment. What have you done recently to help the Empire or your world Senator Cerra? Aside from living off the sweat of their labour? Senator Oriel has worked tirelessly to protect the citizens of the Empire, negotiate trade and mediate crises, I ask again, what have you done?
And Senator Cerra, most citizens read and speak basic already. This act helps widen access to further reading material in addition to having educational program's for children?
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Janar_Cerra | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 10:17 AM | Message # 12 |
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| If you truly believe that, they are more disillusioned than I thought.
Ja'nar Cerra Queen of Garos IV Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 10:21 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Quote (Janar_Cerra) If you truly believe that, they are more disillusioned than I thought.
A translation into basic if you please Miss Cerra?
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
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Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Sunday, 08 Jan 2012, 10:54 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Quote Giving people a reader will not teach them to read geniuses!
I would like to ask the Chair to call Senator Cerra to order for her derogatory comment towards the Senators opposing her viewpoints on this matter. I myself am a graduate of an accredited and highly respected institution of higher learning, and personally resent being sarcastically called a 'genius' because I voted for this proposal, rather than against it as Queen Cerra would have us do.
I would also like to take a moment to comment on the scope of such unladylike behavior. Born into an aristocratic family on Empress Teta, I was of course sent to all the usual schools - among them a finishing school where lady like behavior was institutionalized. It is quite possible, Queen Cerra, for two sentient beings to have a disagreement and have it not come to ad hominem attacks and derogatory statements in regards to other people's beliefs and value systems. I would like to reference my own recent failed proposal in the Senate, several Senators disagreed with my proposal and we had a polite, civilized discussion about it that did not escalate into personal attacks and rude comments.
You are a Senator, a Queen and a Lady, Miss Cerra. Please act like one - you continue to make it that much harder for the rest of us.
Lady Avadrie volFyr Senator of Empress Teta Defense Committee Member
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Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Monday, 09 Jan 2012, 4:24 AM | Message # 15 |
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| I do not support a "no bid contract" for Vjun. However, I have a few non-profit charities and organizations. One of them specializes in homeless Clone Wars veterans. Perhaps Senator Oriel may donate money so we can hand out several holobooks for the poor. It doesn't have to be my organization, but we would like to enter the bidding. However, I agree with Senator Cerra. The answer to better education isn't really the holobooks. It is the classroom environment. If we can provide qualified teachers to teach adults and children alike, then we would have at least the luxury of enriching a single sentient being's knowledge.
Telos IV votes against the bill, but we fully endorse starting the charitable efforts to improve education among the poor and the homeless.
Tremaine Fowlkes Senator of Telos IV
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