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Repeal of the Deralian Chastisement Act
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Monday, 16 Jan 2012, 9:48 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Representative_Galt | Date: Monday, 16 Jan 2012, 10:41 AM | Message # 17 |
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| ~ Galt was a relentlessly nice man and easily disarmed. He told the Queen of Deralia that he understood and wasn't upset with her, but that he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't say a word or two in Tammuz-an's defense, especially with the silence that had been forced upon it under the long tenure of Senator Veritas. The Representative of Tammuz-an had been frustrated in recent days to see Veritas resign and be replaced by another Deralian, but he didn't hold it against Queen Deralius—as long as Tammuz-an was respected, and in all honesty Galt shared the Queen's opinion of the rest of the Tammuz sector. While they discussed this, Senator Terrawin spoke, then Senator Oriel, and then Galt heard that he'd been recognized. "Just a word or two," he told the Queen as he stepped to the lectern. ~
I beg your pardon for interrupting, Senators, but it seems the Queen of Deralia has mis-characterized my world of Tammuz-an, unintentionally I'm sure, and I feel a need to set the record straight. Deralia is not "the only advanced world in the sector," nor is Tammuz-an a primitive or sparsely-populated world. Its population is comparable to Deralia, in fact, and Tammuz-an has the largest concentration of wealth of any of its neighbors and is without doubt the trade hub of the sector (both of these are why pirates seem to prefer Tammuz-an over Deralia, incidentally—the "bigger fish," if you will). Tammuz-an's minor succession crisis of a few years ago did nothing to interrupt its economic or commercial position in the sector.
Tammuz-an also has the most experienced and gallant starfighter corps of the Tammuz Sector and, arguably, the entire region. We may not boast a fleet as large as Deralia's, but even so, a pirate who planned to bombard Tammuz-an a few years ago deemed it necessary to steal a Gladiator-class Star Destroyer from the Empire to do so. (And even so, Tammuz-an captured this pirate and his Star Destroyer and returned it to the Empire).
Mind you, this was prior to Simon Levi's tenure as Moff, which has seen increased emphasis on counter-piracy in the Sector.
Deralia is the military power of the Tammuz Sector. I admit this, because Tammuz-an's priority is to defend itself and stay uninvolved in the rest of the sector (let alone other sectors). Deralia also imitates the Core World culture in a way that Tammuz-an does not, and I admit this too. But this is no reason to marginalize Tammuz-an—there are good things about Deralia, there are good things about Tammuz-an, and I don't think we need argue about which is superior to the other. Especially when it seems there's so much else to argue about, and on that note, Senators, I yield the floor and leave you to it.
Vilish Galt
Representative of Tammuz-an and adviser to King Julpa
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Monday, 16 Jan 2012, 5:37 PM | Message # 18 |
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| Avadrie was simply aghast at what was happening in the Senate. First - The entirety of the Deralia/Dantooine fiasco - and then the proceeding chastisement bills in the Senate, then a 1,300,000 debt bought for more than a 100,000,000 credits. It was mind blowing - and now Queen Augusta of Deralia had just be outed to be making the same lies in the Senate that had seen Senator Veritas sacked from his position.
She was careful to mute her microphone, and then sighed to where those in her pod with her could hear. (namely her staff).
With this kind of behavior from women Senators - Queens no less, how long would it be before there was a bill to ban women from the Senate?
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Monday, 16 Jan 2012, 5:49 PM | Message # 19 |
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| To announce to the Senate, in good grace we have offered the Deralian Government 4 members of their Special Forces unit that supposedly never stepped foot on Dantooine. We have pictures as well as video evidence as well as genetic testing results that do implicate them as Deralian. We also have managed to take picture of their equipment collected and while we cannot be sure if it is Deralian made or not, we do have evidence.
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Monday, 16 Jan 2012, 5:56 PM | Message # 20 |
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| Then Avadrie decided that she should say some of what she had been thinking about this entire ordeal,
"Empress Teta would like to call into question why King Deralius of Deralia hasn't simply paid what has been described as an easily managed debt for a planetary monarch - King Leonard of Empress Teta informs me that while it is not his fondest wish to pay such a debt, it is not outside his finances to do so, and he fails to see why the ruler of a world that states itself to be in such good condition would not be able to do so as well. We also question the motives of the worlds that bid on the debt of King Deralius (perhaps they thought it was a debt owed by the world, and not its ruler?) I personally, and my government finds that such as use of Imperial funds (albeit sovereign planets within the Empire) be used to settle an individual's debt to be inappropriate."
"We also call to question why the bodies that bid on the debt - namely the Cronese Mandate that has purchased it for nearly one thousand percent its value, did not simply PAY King Deralius's debt instead? By purchasing the debt at this value, they have quite flagrantly used an obscene amount of tax payer funds to fund the debt of a lone individual who has been sanctioned by this Senate body, and currently stands in defiance of what we have signed into law. Senators, why?"
"Perhaps these are the ambiguities forced upon use by the influence of planetary monarchs in these modern times. I am just thankful that my own King has not put my world and sector into such a situation. That all being said, Empress Teta is willing to help bring this entire fiasco to a more pleasant resolution."
"If King Deralius is willing to finance his current debt (1,300,000) plus the interest that has accrued since the rights to it were purchased by the Mandate, I have been informed by my minister of finance that the central bank of Empress Teta will grant him a loan with more agreeable terms so that he may quickly settle the debt he now owes the Mandate. (Of course, the Mandate will be out the more than hundred million it bought the debt for).
In extending this offer however, Empress Teta calls for reform and genuine change. I of course do not presume to go against the word of Moff Levi, but Empress Teta would like for Deralia to insist that open elections occur within the sector now so that someone who is not a planetary monarch may be installed into the office of Senator. Also, we would like to see the demilitarization of Deralia in that it move away from its battleship philosophy. I have been informed by President Toadsdale of Koros Major University, that they are interested in a venture (financed largely by my government) to purchase your Venator class and demilitarize it and convert it into a traveling branch of the University.
I ask that you take the offers my world is extending to yours to heart, Queen Augusta and entreat to your husband that he accept our rather generous offers and commit in principle to selling my world (via Koros Major University) your Venator class (after it has been stripped of all that makes it a battleship.)
My world is an ancient one, and expects its representatives to operate with proper decorum and class (and good sense). I would like to see more of the same from this body."
Lady Avadrie volFyr
Senator of Empress Teta
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| Augusta_Aurelius | Date: Tuesday, 17 Jan 2012, 0:25 AM | Message # 21 |
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| ~ She nodded to Representative Galt, listened to his statement, and then returned to the microphone once able to. She let out a visible sigh, and seemed to have regained some composure compared to earlier after getting a brief reprieve from the debate. ~
Indeed, Representative Galt; I have made a mischaracterization of your world, and I apologize, my friend. When one's passion for their world overtakes them, sometimes the words my fail to come to us in a proper manner. A great statesman of another time once said, "More than most people, a Senator lives by his words ... occasionally words fail us, occasionally we will fail words." In the debate that has occurred so far, I have followed a principle highly held in Deralian politics; a politician is not an individual, but a voice of their people. In the Senate, as you had probably seen most of the time from Senator Veritas, hence the similar remarks by myself on this issue, we both have totted our government's line on the issue. It has become clear that the line of my government, and my husband, is not the best policy to uphold in our strive to break out of being a power of our region, and being a power of the Outer Rim. A world of Deralia's standing, and of the standing it strives for, should always be interested in doing the right thing. Our actions towards Dantooine, were not the right thing. I will admit, diplomacy should have been used. Proper authorities should have been involved. It was a mistake to resort immediately to military action, no matter the intent on our part or the perception on Dantooine's part.
Since I have been standing in this chamber, I can not confirm nor deny Dantooine's claim of handing over Deralian special forces operators in the recent prisoner transfer, but I do not lie when I say I am unaware of any special forces action. I can not take accountability for the statement made at Dantooine, but I can state that the intention and act was to establish a protectorate over Dantooine. Was it wrong to "force" this upon Dantooine? Yes. And as far as I know, despite claims to the contrary, no deaths occurred during military operations over Dantooine. This has been an incident in which mischaracterization, presumption, and insinuation has been dominant. These are not aspects which are appropriate for a galactic government... or any government; there are facts and there is conjecture, and a respectable government must work on the basis of fact. Neither is it appropriate for any government to violate rights or abandon its ideals.
Senator volFyr, it is no a matter of lack of ability to repay that has halted Deralia's payment. No loan was ever needed, nor asked for. My family is perfectly capable of paying such a low amount to the government of Dantooine. We have not done so due to the matter of principle. At this time, it is felt that this act is not appropriate, and in fact dangerous. We asked for time to attempt an appeal on this matter to the Senate, that time was given. That time has been used to craft an argument and a proper piece of legislation, which has been presented to the Senate. Again, no loan is needed, and none was asked for. I fail to see how my position as a monarch has any standing on my position as Senator. I also fail to see, how after just making an argument against demilitarization, in direct violation of planetary rights, that it was in any way appropriate to attempt to push demilitarization upon my world by offering a, yet again, unnecessary loan. I will not, nor will my husband, nor will my government, accept such an offer. I too, expect delegates of this body to operate with proper decorum and class, as well as good sense, and I too would like to see more of the same from this body.
We have spent much time thinking of how Dantooine feels... now, may I implore the Senate to think about the events of late, and think how Deralia feels? How would you feel in our situation? We can place blame on anyone and everyone all day, we can repeat what has happened, what could have happened, and what should have happened endlessly; but there is ultimately one thing we must strive for. The thing that must be our ultimate goal. We must do what is right. We must stand up for the rights entitled to every world and individual. We must hold true to our values and principles. Are the actions of this act, right? Regardless of any other aspect of this debate, the answer is no.
Augusta Aurelius
Queen Conosrt of Deralia
Chair of the Human Rights Monitoring and Crisis Resolution Sub-Committee of the Planetary Defense Committee
Senator of Deralia and the Tammuz Sector (30 BBY - 18 BBY, 10 BBY - Present)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Tuesday, 17 Jan 2012, 5:47 AM | Message # 22 |
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| Let the Chamber note Miss Deralius has not denied lying to the Chamber. Further let it note she has ignored all the points I have raised. Furthermore, Deralia still has not presented any evidence to the Senate or Ruling Council.
Quote (Queen_Deralius_III) We have spent much time thinking of how Dantooine feels... now, may I implore the Senate to think about the events of late, and think how Deralia feels?
I don't think at the trial of a rapist or a murderer we ask, how does the criminal feel - Deralia here, for right or wrong committed a great injustice. Deralia has slaughtered the sons of Dantooine.
This act is morally right, just and courageous; just as jailing a criminal is morally right, just and courageous. The Government of Deralia misbehaved, the Government of Deralia must be be punished.
It must cease acting like a petulant child bully and accept it's fate and show some contrition for the lives lost over a period of time. Until Deralia ceases to act like a playground bully, until Deralia stops lying, until Deralia follows the law as it is presently laid down, I do not believe the Senate will support repeal.
Quote (Queen_Deralius_III) I will admit, diplomacy should have been used. Proper authorities should have been involved. It was a mistake to resort immediately to military action, no matter the intent on our part or the perception on Dantooine's part.
You admit you committed an injustice. This is the first time we have seen this from Deralia, and I laud you for this. Now if you are truly contrite you should accept your punishment on the basis that it is right and just to punish those who commit crimes.
Deralia has attacked one of us - do you want to be next? Vote against this act to keep the Deralian Navy out of your skies..
Bernard Oriel
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| Avadrie_volFyr | Date: Tuesday, 17 Jan 2012, 6:49 AM | Message # 23 |
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| Queen Augusta, I will attempt to explain the problems posed by your statements and status as a planetary monarch. First I will explain my first assumption, when you speak - you speak for Deralia as half of its ruling family. This is the same as it is on my world, were King Leonard to address the Senate - he would be speaking AS Empress Teta (the planet).
It was one thing for Senator Veritas to lie quite so openly in the Senate, Your Highness, he was but a Senator. Quite rightly, it appears that he was sacked for his lies and replaced by yourself.
The problem begins when you lie in the Senate. Who exactly, is lying? Is it the Senator of Deralia? The Queen of Deralia, or both? Hopefully you can understand the dilemma this forces on the rest of us when it comes to the credibility of your world. And I would like to note that your principled refusal to pay King Deralius's debt led to the downgrade of your world's credit rating by a respected Core World financial institution. Your principal has adversely affected your people - the Imperial citizens to whom you and your husband are ultimately responsible.
I am not well versed in starship technology (I of course understand the basics), but it has been explained to me by Fleet Admiral Damar of the Empress Teta Sector Fleet and Empress Teta's minister of Defense that your Venator class is an outdated relic of the Clone Wars, hardly appropriate to the task of battling pirates and smugglers as you so often reference. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that this has also been brought up by other members of this illustrious body, that the battleship philosophy espoused by the possession of such a warship is no longer the best way to defend one's world. Where are the large Separatists Fleets? Is Deralia fighting off some extragalactic invader that it has not made known to the Empire? I do not mean to be rude, Senat..Your Highness, but given Deralia's recent history - I don't think its a completely unfair question.
Of course, those of us that live in glass houses are hardly fit to offer such constructive criticism, so I will take a moment to justify the Empress Teta Sector Fleet.
*For a moment she could be seen pointing and dragging on a datapad - as she had mentioned, she wasn't a starship expert, and so of course her comments had been prepared with the assistance of her military experts and counsel*
We of course have one Victory Class Star Destroyer, six Charger retrofitted Consular Class Cruisers, 3 squadrons of Z-95 Headhunters and one squadron of Y Wings. We purchased them from Imperial Surplus, to both ensure that our vessels were within the codes set forth by the laws passed by this body, and we purchased them for the sole reason of combating piracy and smuggling.
This might cause you to question our Star Destroyer, but I remind you that Empress Teta is THE primary producer of carbonite within the galaxy, and such it is our sacred duty to protect this resource on behalf of the Empire. Our squadron of cruisers and starfighter complement is quite adequate to the task of dealing with pirates and smugglers, and we of course work closely with and rely on the Deep Core Security Force maintained by the Imperial Navy.
So I am not offering you anything unnecessary, (and no offense to Governor Oswaldt or Eriadu, such a charming man) but if Deralia fashions itself to be an Outer Rim power, a would be Imperial Center, Anaxes or Alsakan - perhaps it should begin to act like one. Get with the times, Deralia. Accept your punishment because your principle only continues to harm your people, and incited other bodies (namely the Cronese Mandate) to spend excessive Imperial funds to purchase the rights to it.
A world as ancient as my own, in charge of this resource as it is - as noted by the recent report by the Alsakan bank, places my government in an exceedingly enviable position financially. As others can attest to, I have recently been traveling the Outer Rim with the intent of building it up with Empress Teta's support, spreading education and trade. As an Imperial Senator, I have a vested interest in the betterment of our Empire as a whole, and that includes Deralia. Allow us to purchase your Venator class, make it into something more appropriate for the times (an educational device, a traveling university if you will) and provide you with the funds to refit your fleet to be more suitable for the times.
And Your Highness? Even if your government, husband and world believes itself to have been wronged? It is far better to endure such injury to one's ego, than continue to fight it without evidence and by doing so provide more fuel to the fire. I have called several times for Deralia to offer proof of Dantooine's terrorism, or complicity in such terrorism, and it has not been offered, my own, and the calls of others have been ignored. Give me proof, Your Highness, and tomorrow there would be a demand in the Senate, proposed by myself for Dantooine to be called to task for their actions, or you would find the Empress Teta Sector Fleet joining a willing coalition of nations to combat this internal threat to all of our safety and continued happiness, but you have given me no such proof, and so I must do as I see fit at this time.
Lady Avadrie volFyr
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Tuesday, 17 Jan 2012, 5:51 PM | Message # 24 |
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| To be honest, Senators, I've not been interested in this but as it continues to occupy the Senate's time I feel a need to comment on it. The fashion in this debate seems to be to repeat oneself to the point of bromidic tedium, but I'll try to contribute something novel to this discussion.
I don't quite understand Dantooine as a cause célèbre, Senators. It is a world of 300,000 population and of no importance to any of us but Deralia, since Deralia suspects a number of terrorist attacks on its people originated there. I'm not demeaning Dantooine, but it's worth observing that the planet is so insignificant that there's still been no serious investigation into whether there are or aren't terrorists there, as Deralia claims. (The formal "investigation" into the terrorist attack on Deralia is little more than a summary opinion that recommends further investigation. There's nothing wrong with this, but it fails to address Deralia's claim about Dantooine.) Granted, this is a failure of Deralia too; to date, it's produced no evidence to support its claim.
But Deralia's action at Dantooine—I refer to it as an "action" because it's not clear to me what it was or was intended to be—was a result of Deralia's frustration; frustration at the indifference of many (all of us, certainly) to the terrorist attacks on its people, and frustration at the government of Dantooine's disinterest in the terrorists that may (or may not) be using its world as a haven. It's easy to critique Deralia for having no proof of this—indeed, I've done so myself—but let us remember that despite its sanctimony in the Senate, the government of Dantooine is still unable to tell us with certainty that there aren't terrorists on its world. It's simply not looked into the matter, much to Deralia's frustration, I'm sure.
So, does Deralia's frustration excuse what it did? Needless to say, no. Deralia opted for a "go it alone" approach that discarded all diplomatic options and the option of calling upon the Sector Rangers to investigate the terrorist attacks (something it should still do, in my opinion). But it also informed the Ruling Council of its intentions and the Council had no objection to them. I'm still inclined to think that, for this reason alone, Deralia is undeserving of the "chastisement" it has received in this law especially considering that its motivation was clearly not as imperious as some Senators have portrayed it. I don't think this is the time to compound Deralia's insecurities by depriving it of its fleet.
As for the matter of the debt, as a spectator I simply find it amusing.
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 17 Jan 2012, 6:13 PM | Message # 25 |
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| I broadly agree with Senator Cambrist.
Just a note - one really ought to pay for dinner before attempting sexual congress, a moral for all the ladies and gents out there!
I think I speak for the Core when I say.
We really don't care that much, but, would prefer if Deralia comported itself in a way which was consistent with the common profit, if nothing else, this operation was uncouth, wasteful and silly. We have no particular view on the Act, but do feel that Deralia might consider in future considering actually investing in planning or projecting future operations... We caution them that inaction rarely produces advantage.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Wednesday, 18 Jan 2012, 7:01 PM | Message # 26 |
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| After listening to and weighing the arguments of both sides, the Cronese Mandate must vote against the repeal.
Mr. Goodchild
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 3:33 PM | Message # 27 |
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| Senator Ordan, would you mind keeping your snarky comments to yourself please. This is not the place to air your discontent with whatever behaviors you assume the lovely Queen of Deralia. Also I can assure you that if we were to be out and about together you would most certainly would have heard of it.
As for this whole chastisement act in the first place, Deralia did nothing wrong. It was simply stretching out a bit. I am sure we can all appreciate the need for more room, especially when spending so much time in these cramp little pods for hours and hours. Honestly, most are probably upset because Deralia dared to do what most of you wish to do, invade a nearby planet, over throw its government so that you can rule it in whatever way you see fit. Who here does not dream of making a small empire of their own that is loyal to the much larger and grander Galactic Empire?
And Senator Oriel, we could all use a bit of corruption.
Garos IV votes in favor of repealling the Deralian Chastisement Act.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 3:36 PM | Message # 28 |
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| Quote (Janar_Cerra)
And Senator Oriel, we could all use a bit of corruption.
I demand the chair call this woman to Order for her endorsement of corruption, violent assault on fellow members of the Empire and the murder of the citizens of Dantooine. I am honestly shocked and disgusted to see this endorsement of the butchery of Dantooine Citizens.
What did the militamen who died in the Deralian attack do wrong? Did their children and wives deserve to suffer because "Deralia wanted a little Empire"?
Also let the chamber note Senator Cerra is misinformed. Dantooine is not near to Deralia, it would be harder for it to be further away while still in the Galactic disc.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 3:54 PM | Message # 29 |
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| Fair enough. The comments from Garos IV are noted and when similar situations accure, Dantooine will indeed remember how the Government of Garos IV feels and The Khoonda Administration will show no remorse... at all.
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Thursday, 19 Jan 2012, 6:49 PM | Message # 30 |
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| Garos IV would like to retract its previous statements and apologize for them. It is not a matter to be taken lightly, while many lives, imperial lives were lost, I’m sure, on both sides. Deralia had no right to attack Dantooine in the way that it did. But should we not show some leniency towards our enemies? At the end of the day we are all part of a much larger body, the Empire.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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