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Cronese Outrage Motion
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 1:35 AM | Message # 31 |
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| I think we all know that's not quite true Senator Goodchild.
The motion has been reformed to adopt the Lorrd input (removing the articles they found unacceptable) and has been rehashemed to also condemn the Cronese grounding of its merchant fleet.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 1:45 AM | Message # 32 |
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| Senator Ordan you are lying to the Senate in your continued false accusations that the Cronese Mandate vessels fired on Civilian ships. Not a single Cronese Vessels opened fire upon any vessel either coming near it, or those that sought to fire upon it. All Cronese Mandate vessels had their weapons powered down, with the power being rerouted to their shields. Nor has the Cronese Mandate made any such order to prevent our Merchant vessels from leaving or ordered to keep them grounded. I've merely stated that we've received concerns from our merchants, and it is those merchants by their own choice that have decided not to leave the Mandate for fear of being targeted merely because they are Cronese. Yet I do not find your actions surprising, I've seen time and time again that you sit there and do not listen to the facts and trump up your own ideas of how things go and convince yourself that you are correct when your words are false, and it leads you to mislead the other Senators of the Imperial Senate.
The Cronese Mandate did not fire on any Civilian Ships. The Cronese Mandate did not order the grounding or the prohibition of our Merchants to leave the Mandate, and as I've stated in the announcement to the Senate on adopting the blockade bill, the Cronese Mandate will adopt and put into law the bill when all blockading forces have been removed from the Cronese Mandate. If they are not removed then I bring to motion that they be redesignated as an occupying force which by the wording of the Ordan-North bill is illegal and makes the blockade itself illegal.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 1:56 AM | Message # 33 |
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| So your Merchants are a hive mind? This hive mind of the millions of merchants in your mandate have all decided to avoid visiting the "dangerous" galaxy, so giving trade to their competitors and meaning they literally won't get paid anything for the cargo they won't haul..
As I made clear, you're running yourself further into untruths Mr Goodchild, il not even attempt to engage you on there to prevent yourself perjuring yourself further. I am transmitting from the Scene, I am aboard the Axum Flagship and I saw the Minerva being seized by your fleet.. I think I am much better informed of the truth. Certainly better so than you.. Spouting the same old tired propaganda of a morally and soon to be economically bankrupt government.
As they pose a risk to our protest, your space stations will be seized tomorrow (as they are in breach of the no-fly area imposed by the blockade) unless the required provisions are implemented into law, the peaceful blockade on luxury goods will not be lifted until the Ordan North Act is adhered to.. I'm afraid it's too late to say "we will do it when you leave", you had plenty of time to do so -before- we arrived..
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 2:03 AM | Message # 34 |
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| Senator, the space stations that orbit the planet of Chandaar are for the worlds defense and are sovereign ground of the Cronese Mandate. If a single troop or crew member from your forces steps foot on either of the stations, it will constitute an invasion which will make your blockade under your Bill illegal. Though I also have to ask if you intend to also seize the Imperial berth at Chandaar as it would appear to also be in the same breach of the no-fly area of the blockade.
I've received multiple reports Senator that the Cronese Mandate vessels never came in contact with any vessel by the name of Minerva, or transmitting any ship beacon that matches with that. Our vessels did not fire on any civilian ship.
I request that the Chair recognize Captain Harrak of the Cronese Mandate Navy whom is reporting in from the Cronese Mandate on the actions taken by out vessels.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
Message edited by Mr_Goodchild - Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 2:04 AM |
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 2:14 AM | Message # 35 |
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| There is no law against removing militarised vessels (a space station is a vessel) from a blockaded area. I think you should bear in mind the long standing tradition of "cutting out" vessels or batteries which threaten blockades, we naturally won't threaten the Imperial berth, which is manned by Imperial personnel (threats to it would require an investigation from an Imperial Judge), many of whom are Coreworlders and certainly are all friends of our Sector as servants of the Empire. And this is not a threat, merely a gentlemanly statement of intention so you can keep civilians safe (you keep protesting your care for them).
The statement of intent applies to all Cronese armed vessels or batteries which threaten our ships (as you've already demonstrated your willingness to try and starve the enforcers of Imperial law of supplies). The stations removed it will also enable your merchants or offworld merchants to safely escape the dystopia which is the Cronese Mandate,
Your reports are wrong.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
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Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 02 Apr 2012, 9:59 AM | Message # 36 |
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| I suppose I shouldn't admit that I've not been following this closely, but the situation at Chandaar is a rather queer one to me. Granted, Cronese affairs don't interest me unduly, but I'm not sure what this continued fuss is about. However, it would appear there are some misconceptions in this debate that would benefit from a clarification I made in a statement of a moment ago.
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| Avram_Kirkwood | Date: Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 8:25 PM | Message # 37 |
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| Since the matter is concluded, and all grievances against the Cronese previously state, now resolved, I am Against this motion.
The Honorable Avram W. Kirkwood
Senator of the Cygnus Star Empire
General, Imperial Army (Ret.)
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| Sate_Pestage | Date: Saturday, 21 Apr 2012, 9:30 AM | Message # 38 |
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| I am reliably informed that Senator Ordan wishes his motion be withdrawn, as the Cronese Mandate has adopted his provisions into law as required and the blockade of Chandaar has now been lifted. So ordered, the motion is withdrawn.
Sate Pestage
Grand Vizier of the Empire
Assistant to Emperor Palpatine
Chair of the Imperial Senate
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