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Cronese Outrage Motion
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 4:39 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Gentlemen,
The Cronese Government has committed the final outrage, it has used it's massive fleet of custom-designed and built ships to launch an unwarranted and unprovoked attack upon the supply vessels legitimately bringing succor to the Senate Coalition which was requested by this Chamber to bring a peaceful blockade to Chandaar to chastise it's government for it's evil actions.
This is an act of outright hostility, nay an Act of War against the Empire and it's members present. I thus propose the Imperial Senate considers passing a formal Declaration against the Cronese Mandate, until it is brought to heel and it's rebellion quashed.
I urge you all to see through politics, or political divisions. The Cronese Mandate is what Senator Oriel has always accused it of being, Militarist! It launched a cowardly policy of unrestricted warfare on civilian vessels at Chandaar, this cannot stand. I do not call for the removal of King Robeir (at this time) but I do believe it is worth considering limiting the scope for military expansion and demolish his current assets for the common good of every citizen.
I ask the Senate to carry this motion.
"This Senate condemns the actions of the Cronese Fleet in attacking the civilian freighters supplying the Imperial Senate Coalition blockade at Chandaar.
This Senate censures Senator Goodchild and the "client King" Robeir of the Cronese Mandate for their part in this debacle.
The Senate declares illegal (under the spirit of the Rogue Sectors Act and e New Mandate) and illegitimate the orders of the Cronese Government that all Cronese merchants and merchantmen are prohibited from leaving their Mandate, and calls upon the Political Officers of the vessels owned by the Cronese Mandate to prevent enforcement of any such attempted arbitrary restriction on the a whole race of people of the Galactic Empire.
This Senate freezes the assets within the Empire of the Cronese Mandate State and Monarch until such a time as the required provisions of the Ordan North Act are implemented into Cronese law (without caveats)."
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
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Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
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Message edited by Senator_Ordan - Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 1:33 AM |
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 4:41 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Senator Ordan, is there actual proof of the Cronese fleet firing upon unarmed, civilian vessels?
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Draken_Turot | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 4:46 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Yes! There is proof! I have a message from Colonel Neolight, whom is currently engaged with the Cronese forces at Chandaar!
*The message would play*:
"Sir, Colonel Neolight reporting. The Cronese have opened fire on a civilian vessel and have turned their sights on us. Before the Cronese attempt to block our signal, we have sent this message to keep you informed. Neolight out."
There is your proof, Senator!
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 4:48 PM | Message # 4 |
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| We have confirmation they have intercepted a supply vessel. Yes, and embargoed other trade going to our forces.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Foreign Minister of Anaxes
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Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 4:51 PM | Message # 5 |
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| Naturally, I am opposed to the Militarism of the Cronese Mandate. I do believe this resolution is eminently reasonable and enforcable, and frankly justifiable on the past evils of the Mandate. Jumping in behind a fleet and stopping it's supply vessels can only be regarded as an aggressive action, and so I believe a vote In Favour is in order.
I'd also like to state that the Defense Committee formally rebukes the Cronese Mandate for use of force against civilian supply ships and for obstructing a blockade which has been ordered by Imperial Law.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Eli_Fitzgerald | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 4:55 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Am I to understand this is a "blockade of the blockade"? To what extent is its conduct different from that of Anaxes, Deralia, and the other worlds blockading Chandaar. (I want to be fully informed before I vote on this).
Eli Fitzgerald
Senator of Ralltiir (10 BBY—Present)
"I was elected to do some flamethrowing in the Senate. To a light a fire under those Senators and make it hot for them."
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:05 PM | Message # 7 |
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| The Imperial Senate Coalition blockade is being run responsibly, being relatively porous and allowing essential cargo to pass through to the poor benighted people of Chandaar, so far mislead and misruled by the incompetent tyrant Robeir. A tyrant, no less, who has carried out brutal foreign policy that has only inflamed the ethnic tensions in the region and caused the immeasurable suffering of millions of Imperial Citizens.
The Imperial Senate Coalition blockade is also permitted under Imperial Law, and was making a legitimate protest at the request of this chamber, to prevent future ruinous atrocities such as those seen by Cronese forces on Caluula. I should also point out that the Cronese dispatched murderers to Caluula to aid an armed insurrection against a democratic government (perhaps wishing for another petty tyrant to come under the wing of their marginally less petty tyrant).
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:05 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Yes... I would like to hear a bit more before I decide. You say they have 'intercepted a supply vessel.' Have they fired on it? Is anyone harmed? Has anything actually been seized?
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:11 PM | Message # 9 |
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| The supply vessel "Minerva" was a Rothana-flagged vessel carrying a cargo of nine engineering staff from "Kuat Drive Yards" to perform some additional checks upon the power coupling manifold to the forward canteen's nutrition extruders aboard the Tector-class Eagle. It also carried nutrition syrup rations and hypermatter fuel. It immediately surrendered after it was stripped of shields by Cronese action, as a result of the Cronese action, cargo was disturbed in it's secondary cargo container, resulting in the crushing of one crewman and three engineers (to death) as well as the wounding of two more engineers.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| Mr_Goodchild | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:29 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Senator Ordan, I see your continued, lets say hatred for lack of a better word, for the Cronese Mandate has caused you to trump up ridiculous claims about actions that have not been taken. I also see that you're training the Senator of Acherin to follow in the foot steps, or perhaps it is this Mr. Neolight that is the one that is taking the most from your false accusations. The world of Chandaar is under blockade, that I do not argue. The facts though are the following.
- The World of Chandaar, once having been surrounded by the Blockading forces, enacted a lock down protocol, in which all flights to and from Chandaar where postponed and shut down. The people where requested to remain indoors, and government ready supplies of rations were made ready in case there became a shortage of food, which is not likely for a long while.
- The two Stations orbiting Chandaar launched fighters on patrol. The fighters in question remained in orbit around Chandaar and the two stations, to ensure that there were no transports attempting to land any kind of ground forces on Chandaar.
- When the blockading forces arrived, the 101st Fleet and 42nd Defensive Wing were ordered to enact lock down protocol 5, which states that at a time when Chandaar was under blockade, the fleets where to not seek hostile action, and were to instead ensure the safety of all civilians by turning away their vessels at the border of the system, to prevent their loss of property and loss of lives.
- It was in fact that blockading forces to first open fire upon the Cronese Fleets, though we've had reports that no vessels had been hitting, being at the edge of the system, it would appear that the blockading forces have given the people of Chandaar quite a light show. It is also reported that fighters in orbit around Chandaar have also been fired upon for merely ensuring the safety of the civilian populace below.
- Finally, to answer the claims of this vessel "Minerva." A vessel by that name was never stopped, nor intercepted, nor fired upon by the Cronese Fleets. Any vessels that have arrived, have been peacefully turned away from the area to ensure the crew's safety.
The People of Chandaar have known for months ahead of time that a blockade was coming, and as such, have been ready for some time. Both rural and private farms are providing enough food for the people, which didnt not require the landing of any supply vessels that Senator Ordan here claims are for the "poor benighted people" of Chandaar. I must ask the Senate, is the Cronese Mandate to be punished for seeking to protect the lives of Imperial Citizens by turning them away from a potentially dangerous situation to ensure their lives and property? The Cronese Mandate must and will vote against this Motion.
Mr. Goodchild
Minister of State
Representative of the Cronese Mandate
Message edited by Mr_Goodchild - Saturday, 31 Mar 2012, 1:41 PM |
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:31 PM | Message # 11 |
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| I'd like to see actual proof of the Cronese firing upon the supply ship, if you have it. Speaking of which, wouldn't the crew of this Minerva be aware the possibility exists that they could come in danger during a blockade? Surely the crew and those on-board weren't stupid. Unfortunate, but it's a small accident in the large scheme of the blockade, Senator Ordan, which has the effect of killing thousands of people, not four. I'm not prepared to fully condemn the Mandate on such a thin premise.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:35 PM | Message # 12 |
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| OOC: Quote (Captain_Harrak) seizing any vessels meant to bring supplies to the blockading forces.
Minerva was stated as inbound, thus was autocaptured by the action of the previous post.
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This is an act of war. The blockade has the effect of killing none, it is a peaceful blockade, it is sheerly on non-essential luxury goods - perhaps you should check your facts Mr Lekpin.
The supply vessel Minerva was intended for our forces, not the Cronese, we simply were stating that our blockade was allowing essential traffic (such as food (even if not essential) and medical supplies) to the locals. We have no quarrel with the Cronese people, only their inept and dangerous government.
The Government of the Azure Sector is meeting presently and discussing the possibility of issuing a declaration of war against the Cronese Mandate for it's actions in attempting to strangle off supplies to our fleet (an act of war).
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
Message edited by Senator_Ordan - Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:37 PM |
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:43 PM | Message # 13 |
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| This is all very questionable, Senator Ordan. Very questionable. Under technicality, shouldn't a Star Destroyer carry more than enough supplies for its crew for some time? Even with passengers? It strikes me that all the ships currently engaged in the blockade should have enough supplies to last them for some time. Having additional supplies at this point is unnecessary and endangers civilians needlessly. Furthermore, to my understanding, if the Cronese are turning vessels away, they are not directly interfering with your blockade, which is of Chandaar and not the entire system. It strikes me as a technicality, but they may be in the right.
If the Azure Sector chooses to go to war, Lorrd will have no part of it.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:51 PM | Message # 14 |
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| It's a new vessel, but the supplies were simply intended as we had a minor problem with the nutrition extruders aboard the forward crewmen's canteen on the Eagle, leading to a leak which caused around 10 tons to be wasted. Naturally, this was within warranty from Kuat Drive Yards so was being replaced and the repairs made being checked over.
The fuel supplies carried were for the Escort Carriers (which had been on patrol for two months) to bring their stocks up to their full one year supply maximum. I should highlight that supplying a peaceful Senate endorsed blockade should not be a dangerous matter, and the actions of the Cronese Navy have made it so by making war upon the Empire (in obstructing their representatives).
I'd like to advise Lorrd to consider where it's interests lie in this matter, and if defense of petty "technicalities" are worth alienating a major trade partner and one of the wealthiest sectors in the Galaxy in favour of the Cronies of an Outer Rim tyrant who is undoubtedly obstructing the enforcement of an Imperial Senate authorized blockade.
Are we not fellow lovers of what is right, not procrastination and inaction due to the technicalities of words. What is important is the spirit of an act surely?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
Message edited by Senator_Ordan - Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 5:53 PM |
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Thursday, 29 Mar 2012, 6:10 PM | Message # 15 |
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| That is... unfortunate, Senator Ordan. Perhaps in the future, the Azure Interest Protection Squadron will go over its vessels better. Naturally, I could sit here and find multiple faults with your preparedness for an extended blockade in what is indeed a very militarized region. Nonetheless, that is not the matter at hand.
Technically, Senator, I do not believe Lorrd has any current trading agreements with Anaxes, or with anyone in the Azure Sector at this time. I'm neither for or against the Cronese, just as I am neither for or against the blockade of Chandaar. You will note that when the proposal was made, I remained silent and let the rest of the Senate deliberate the vote. What happens at Chandaar will not affect Lorrd one way or the other. If this sounds callous, it is not meant to be. It is simple truth and facts. However, I do believe in fairness. I believe what you are asking the Senate to do in full in acceptance of your proposal is quite unfair and uncalled for. Oh, certain measures proposed are acceptable, but not nearly all of them.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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