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The Cronese Peace and Order Act
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 2:20 AM | Message # 1 |
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| The Cronese Peace and Order Act
The large spacelanes of the Cronese Mandate (Cronese Arcs, Kisamaano Bypass etc) are to be removed from Cronese control, these lanes are henceforth to be patrolled by the Imperial Navy (who may deputise the service to a private venture if they wish) at the expense of the Cronese Crown.this requirement will cut down the need for such an large fleet in the possession of the Mandate itself.
This policy is a sad necessity after the Cronese Mandate has proven singularly negligent in the use of its military (intervening in neighbours policy, using its entire fleet to contest a peaceful protest instead of patrolling the whole Sector).
This does not effect the movements of the Cronese Navy who may continue to patrol if they wish to do so, they simply will not be the "Custodian" of the spacelanes in the region as by their ineptitude and incompetence they have brought this on themselves.
Cronese Merchants are to be reassured at the surrounding region has not threatened them and will not seize their cargo.. Furthermore, they are to be reminded that the Empire is at a state of peace and so any ceasing their labour in such a manner will harm only their business.
This motion calls upon them to set aside ethnic quarrels and work for a better future where all men of any race may exist together peacefully and in a state of prosperity.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 6:23 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Have we tried "leave the Cronese Mandate alone" as a policy? Any incompetence or ineptitude on the part of the Mandate has been in the face of relentless provocations from Anaxes and its allies. Senator Ordan, why this Goldberg machine of provocations and sanctions, provocations and sanctions? The Cronese Mandate appears to be the exclusive focus of the Anaxes delegation of late, why? There's no doubt the Cronese government suffers from a lack of statesmanship, but as long as it remains insular (though not too insular—this business about grounding merchant vessels is far-fetched), why continue to prod and provoke it? Especially when it's made all the concessions you demanded of it.
The Cronese Mandate is the only sector among its neighbors that doesn't have a genocide to its name. The Cronese Mandate is clearly concerned with its own safety (and frankly, not much else other than perennial Cronese/Tionese ethnic disputes that you, Senator Ordan, expressed a "profound disinterest" in). Enough of the Senate's time and legislation have been spent on the Cronese Mandate and I think Senator Ordan has expended his credibility on this issue. Can we move on? Naboo is against.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
Message edited by Artemis_Vanden - Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 6:32 PM |
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Sunday, 01 Apr 2012, 10:54 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Strangely enough, I concur Representative Vanden. Druckenwell is just as tired of the Cronese Mandate being continually baited and faulted. Let them alone. They need their own time to recover. I vote against.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Monday, 02 Apr 2012, 4:27 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I'd be happy to leave it alone if it allowed me to. When we last pursued that policy (which I supported) what happened? Mandate soldiers sheathing their swords in the bellies of the Caluulans. That is why, Senator Vanden, I have become an interventionist in this respect. I believe that there does need to be a final resolution which grants equity to all Imperial citizens in the region. I am concerned when honest businessmen and merchantmen are accosted or grounded for simply not being Cronese or being Cronese. I am sickened by a region divided along ethnic lines, where when a regime attempts not to be so segregated (Caluula) then the Mandate attacks them.
Lastly, the Cronese Mandate is a Mandate of the Empire. As the legislature of the Empire it is partially our responsibility to assure the good and equitable administration of such an area. I have been saddened and sickened by the all ethnic factions in this conflict, but I am also sickened by an attitude which would just let the massacres keep goon on for expediency's sake, while sacrificing also the economic well being of numerous other citizens.
Do you object to condemning and ruling illegal a sector prohibiting merchant traffic in a whole ethnic group?
Do you object to the Empire guaranteeing the integrity of the trade routes in the region, so encouraging demilitarisation on all sides and helping to secure the future for each and every Imperial Citizen in the region, irrespective of Ethnic background?
Are these not good and worthy acts? Truth is truth, no matter what mouth it comes from, just as aurodium is aurodium in any hands. And even if you will not struggle to keep this a fair Empire for all races of man, I will. I will continue to legislate what is right, or attempt to do so, let posterity remember that it was I, Hubert Ordan, who called for an end to Ethnic conflict, and personally lead men and risked my life to do so.
Senator Vanden, what have you done to stop the effusion of blood in the Tion Cluster?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Foreign Minister of Anaxes
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Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Monday, 02 Apr 2012, 8:38 AM | Message # 5 |
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| Senator Ordan, I am sure Representative Vanden has done what he can. However, you might ask, 'what has Lorrd done to halt the issues in the Tion Cluster?' The answer? Nothing. If the Tion Cluster cannot efficiently and fairly govern itself, then it need new government. That is for the Imperial military to enforce, not every world and sector to enforce on their own. This farce with the Mandate is done and I will be glad to see things settle down.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Senator_Cambrist | Date: Monday, 02 Apr 2012, 9:50 AM | Message # 6 |
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| For some time now have I expressed my personal disinterest in Cronese affairs. But without commenting on the measure itself, this discussion of it might be well-served with the knowledge that there is no apparent grounding of merchant vessels that the Commerce Committee is aware of in the Cronese Mandate. To put it charitably, it would appear Senator Goodchild spoke in haste—there is no indication from Cronese merchants or port authorities, etc. that the Cronese government is grounding merchant vessels (now that it's lifted its misguided blockade of Chandaar, that is). Furthermore, my correspondence with Cronese merchants indicates no reluctance whatsoever to continue to trade with the rest of the galaxy. It would appear that Senator Goodchild was simply hyperbolic on this point; either that, or the "letters of concern" from Cronese merchants that he referred to were from a small minority of letters that he chose to read selectively.
In either case, now that the Cronese blockade of Chandaar has been lifted, the Commerce Committee is satisfied with Cronese trade policy (though we continue to wish it would remove some of its protectionist barriers, at least it's not grounding merchant vessels at this time).
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Monday, 02 Apr 2012, 8:49 PM | Message # 7 |
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| No grounding of merchant ships, then. And Robeir has stated openly that the Cronese Mandate will not involve itself in any more ethnic disputes, and I quote: "We can't help all the Cronese everywhere, but we can help them and us too by making the Mandate a safe place for Cronese to live. We're focusing on ourselves." And Senator Ordan, it's even agreed to your humiliating demand that it never use its ships outside of its borders. So what is the problem? Again we see a Cronese Mandate that is isolationist—that is, it wants to mind its own business. Something Anaxes should aspire to, perhaps.
I said before and I'll say again, the Cronese Mandate is the only sector among its neighbors that doesn't have a genocide to its name. It had one interventionist episode at Caluula, and has also committed to pay—according to your demand, Senator Ordan—an indeterminate sum in reparations to Caluula as a result. I'm rather indignant on this subject because Senator Ordan has actually managed to portray the Cronese Mandate as a victim—a victim of the Anaxsi need for "a good scrap." I see no other reason for its persistent hostility.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Monday, 02 Apr 2012, 9:08 PM | Message # 8 |
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| No, but it is apparent that the government of the Cronese Mandate has no problem with imposing such an action (it did not object to it's merchants universally taking such a move) and it was very willing to impose a blockade of even essential supplies to it's own capital - to cut off it's nose to spite it's face. Gentlebeings, this is a deranged administration, a bodyguard of lies - one being propped up by the procrastination and inefficacy of men like Senator Vanden.
Quote (Artemis_Vanden) I said before and I'll say again, the Cronese Mandate is the only sector among its neighbors that doesn't have a genocide to its name.
This is simply irrelevant. Naboo was persecuted by the Trade Federation in terms which could easily be considered a "Genocide".. does this somehow taint the Sector? No, of course not. King Robeir brought on the episode at Embaril by enflaming tensions there and constantly encouraging division in the region. Every statement, even now is made in Ethnic terms.
Are we not all men? Should we not be united in a Brotherhood of man, instead of divided by the petty ethnic politics which ceased to be relevant a thousand years hence. That is what Anaxes stands for, that is why Anaxes cares enough to deploy it's vessels, to unite men under the flag of humanity in the face of adversity! Every drop of human blood shed I lament, and that is why I am in the region Mr Vanden.
As I have highlighted, you have done nothing Mr Vanden, Nothing to help alleviate the pains suffered by the humans of both sides. You have supported and are supporting an arbitrary despot to slaughter the people of the surrounding Sectors (sending soldiers to Caluula to shoot policemen and civilians) provoking and inflaming these ghastly old wounds.
We are not hostile to the Cronese Mandate, we are hostile to the Government of the Cronese Mandate for it's actions against the people of the Empire. We are hostile against any power which would act in such a manner. Again, I repeat, let posterity remember Senator Vanden for speaking in favour of leaving the Cronese to slaughter their neighbours and visit the evils of the father upon the son.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Monday, 02 Apr 2012, 10:51 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Nonsense. Complete and utter.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Monday, 02 Apr 2012, 11:28 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Is fraternal regard for your fellow man nonsense? Is hating segregation and ethnic policy nonsense? Is standing up for everyone's rights in the Tion Cluster nonsense?
I believe Senator Vanden is simply showing the danger in his own ideology by calling for "leaving them be". If we left them be, then Caluula would be drenched in the blood of the "plutocratic" Tionese Caluulans and also no doubt their supporters among the Ethnic Cronese population by the Ethnic Cronese Minority Communists? We need to put an end to these petty distinctions Mr Vanden, these beings need to be united as subjects of the Empire. That is why I support the moderating influence of the Empire in this area, that is why we would do well to had over anti piracy on the shipping lanes to the Empire from the Cronese.
Let's all remember, this is a motion to encourage forces to be reduced, but does not even demand that try be so reduced. It trusts the Cronese Mandate to do what is right, and secures their region, surely this motion is, if anything, a boon for them?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 4:37 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Resisting the Senator's attempts to make this about Artemis Vanden, I will say only that I'm as much opposed to Cronese-Tionese ethnic tensions as anyone. The difference is I don't think it's my responsibility (or yours) to end thousands of years of ethnic tensions, let alone to do so in a vindictive manner that is humiliating to the Cronese. If anyone sincerely believes that this measure is intended to bring peace and balance to the Cronese-Tionese relationship, or will succeed in doing so, or that it'll be the last of your anti-Cronese measures, I will back down. I don't think anyone credibly believes that your motives are as pure as you protest (too strongly) that they are.
The fact of the matter is that the Empire can step in to resolve these disputes if they become problematic, as it did at Embaril (belatedly). But let's not forget it was the Empire that created a situation where a predominantly Cronese sector is surrounded by predominantly Tionese sectors—to say the Cronese Mandate bears the blame for this (and to ignore—and exacerbate—the insecurities of the Cronese) demonstrates the poor understanding of this region that has informed your immensely counter-productive words and deeds on this subject. I sincerely doubt that the Cronese or Tionese people, or the Empire, find your involvement to be helpful.
Enough of these punitive anti-Cronese acts. Enough. Let us try diplomacy with the threat of sanctions, rather than simply sanctions, sanctions, sanctions that have done nothing to improve the situation. And let us do so with new players, if need be; Anaxes no longer has any credibility on this issue. If I'm challenged to do what I can to resolve these ethnic tensions, I will do so myself.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 5:44 PM | Message # 12 |
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| After having considered Senator Ordan's argument versus those made by Representatives Vanden and Lekpin, as well as having consulted with the constituency of Druckenwell and the heads of Monor II and Geridard, I must change my vote to be in favor of Senator Ordan's proposal. Many people are worried that the ability of the Cronese Mandate to reach out its hand and assault local worlds may one day continue on further along the Mid and Outer Rim, bringing trouble to those who want none. We must nip them in the bud, and harshly.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 5:50 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Sluis Van's vote is firmly intended for putting this whole mess behind all of us. We vote against.
Toben Domon
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 6:02 PM | Message # 14 |
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| Senator Ordan, Lorrd votes against this measure as well. You seem to have a very unhealthy fascination with the Cronese Mandate. This has gone far beyond simple blockades and sanctions and worry and this like. This seems rather like a hostile takeover that might somehow benefit you from repeated attacks on the Cronese here in the Senate. Let them be, Senator Ordan.
Senators, Representative Vanden and I can't be the only ones who see something is wrong here.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 6:30 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Senator Ryuun,
"The Cronese Mandate commits never again to use its vessels beyond the borders of the Cronese Mandate."
What more can the Cronese Mandate do to satisfy the "many people" who are "worried"?
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
Message edited by Artemis_Vanden - Tuesday, 03 Apr 2012, 6:30 PM |
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