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Condemning the Genocide on Sipsk
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| Artemis_Vanden | Date: Friday, 30 Nov 2012, 9:55 PM | Message # 1 |
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| It having come to the attention of the galaxy that the government of the planet Sipsk is conducting a brutal, medieval-style genocide of thousands, and possibly millions of practitioners of the Vianist religion on that planet, I propose this resolution hereby condemning the government of Sipsk for this atrocity and calling for an immediate end to this gruesome campaign of violence.
I vote in favor, and I additionally announce my intention to meet with leaders in the Kanz Sector to help put a stop to these nightmarish executions-by-fire, summary dismemberments and, if the rumors be true, cannibalism on Sipsk.
Artemis Vanden
Representative of the Naboo
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Friday, 30 Nov 2012, 9:57 PM | Message # 2 |
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| I am fully in favor, Representative Vanden. Despite the fact that the Sipsk'ud are aliens, genocide is never a good option.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Saturday, 01 Dec 2012, 2:31 AM | Message # 3 |
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| As far as I know, the Sipsk'ud were simply executing the fanatical adherants of a Force worshipping cult of Pederasts similar to the Jedi. Execution is the only fate appropriate for those who fail to show contrition and recant such beliefs, and arguably even recanters deserve a severe punishment to chastise them for their grievous errors.
What say you, Senator Lekpin?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Saturday, 01 Dec 2012, 10:57 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I say that I've dealt with religious fanatics before, notably those in the Doldur Sector who live on Monor II. Such religious groups can pose problematic in the Empire, but Monor II and Druckenwell managed to be business partners for a time. Nonetheless, you don't see the Monorian people executing a mass genocide of their believers. From my, albeit limited, understanding, the call was from the Empire to have Vianists cease and desist their worship. That doesn't necessarily call for a mass execution of millions of beings. Then again, I've never met a Sipsk'ud so I can't say personally.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Saturday, 01 Dec 2012, 2:56 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I daresay the Vianists on Lorrd were removed without the need for mass genocide. As such, I concur with the words of Representative Vanden and I am in favor.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Saturday, 01 Dec 2012, 10:24 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Against. The Jedi were eradicated with full force and prejudice not only because they posed a physical danger to us but a danger to our way of life too. Sounds to me these Vianists are a Jedi Order waiting to happen... The Empire should use full force and prejudice to eradicate this dangerous belief system before it spreads beyond the Kanz sector. Human High Culture is the surest path to peace and dignity for all men.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 6:09 AM | Message # 7 |
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| By the dictionary definition your forced deportations and ethnic cleansing fit the definition of Genocide.
Senator Vanden, should this condemnation not include all the worlds of the Kanz Sector which have pursued genocidal policies against their people for religious reasons?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 6:14 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Is it true that Lorrds botched crackdown on these treasonable religionists has actually created them an independent state?
Essentially - Lorrd was informed of a problem and instead of dealing with it like Sipsk; it has created a Moon full of seditious religionists and seemingly shifted the burden of executing the crackdown to the Empire?
This is like when being informed of an arrest warrant of someone on your world, transporting them off it.
Remarkable arrogance and frankly, wasting Imperial time..
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 8:59 AM | Message # 9 |
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| There is no independent state, Senator Oriel. There is little more than a penal colony on the moon of Lorrd II which offers no way off the moon, leaving the unrepentant Vianists stranded and under the oversight of the Lorrdian Defense Fleet to prevent them from causing any trouble. We are Humans, Senator, not the Sipsk'ud with their barbaric ways. There is no need for Imperial intervention in this case and certainly no need for mass death. With the Vianists isolated, the problem is self contained and under watchful eyes, it can still be dealt with in a more final manner if need be.
I don't see how this is any concern of yours though.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 9:28 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Then Lorrd too has committed an act of genocide upon its people for which it shows no regret, shame or remorse, and impeded their freedom of religion in a manner (in my opinion) contrary to what the Empire stands for.
I repeat my call for a condemnation of Lorrd to be added to the motion.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 9:41 AM | Message # 11 |
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| If I may quote Representative Vanden:
Quote the government of the planet Sipsk is conducting a brutal, medieval-style genocide of thousands, and possibly millions of practitioners of the Vianist religion on that planet Quote nightmarish executions-by-fire, summary dismemberments and, if the rumors be true, cannibalism on Sipsk.
Lorrd has not engaged in a mass purge of such; simply deportations. As such, if you feel the need to attempt a condemnation in a manner quite unlike the Sipsk'ud or the brutal Argazdan disappearances, then by all means, you are free to attempt such.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 10:05 AM | Message # 12 |
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| "We had the lead baddest genocide"
Sums up your argument then, Senator Lekpin?
Forcible deportation and ignoring the right of Habeas Corpus for a whole religious minority? Not just an order of zealots like the Jedi (I can see prescribing an organization) but deporting a whole population for reasons of conscience? That is genocide.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 10:09 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Senator Terrawin, the Ruling Houses of Lorrd, the Province Lords and myself are all good and loyal Imperial men. The removal of the Vianist issue came down directly through the proper channels from Moff Shirnoq. I suggest if you have an issue with our methods, you take it up with him, unless of course you are in the habit of not following the edicts set forth by your Sector Moff.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 10:24 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Did Moff Shirnoq order the mitigation of the rights of your people?
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
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| Roman_Lekpin | Date: Sunday, 02 Dec 2012, 10:57 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Moff Shirnoq ordered that the Vianist issue be dealt with. Our methods of going about it were far more humane than other select governments. Either way, the ends Moff Shirnoq wanted were achieved.
Roman Lekpin
Representative, Lorrd (11 BBY-10 BBY) (9 BBY-Present)
Chosen of House Garth
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