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The Capital Vessels Act
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 08 Nov 2010, 6:12 AM | Message # 31 |
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| I suppose, Senator, after some consideration, that your idea has merit. Druckenwell votes in favor of this measure.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Robert_North | Date: Tuesday, 09 Nov 2010, 12:37 PM | Message # 32 |
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| Judging the points for and against this legislation, I must agree with the opposition and vote against this legislation.
The Honorable R.C.W. North
Senator of Imperial Center
Chairman of the Internal Activities Committee Mayor of the Galactic/Imperial City (22 BBY-18 BBY)
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Tuesday, 09 Nov 2010, 12:57 PM | Message # 33 |
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| "Glad to see your contibuting to the Debate Mr North. Participating in the democratic process and the like, why do you oppose my bill?"
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 09 Nov 2010, 1:26 PM | Message # 34 |
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| Naturally as one in favour of the shipping industry, and in favour of greater Imperial solidarity and security, I find myself voting In Support of this motion. This motion will satisfy the Emperor's requirement to stimulate the sale of surplus, and will equally contribute to the shipping industry by discouraging hoarding of such vessels and promote work being distributed to such worlds. I would like to thank Senator Oriel for proposing a measure which is so well thought out, and so clearly Good for Everyone.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Foreign Minister of Anaxes
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Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
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| Crin_Star | Date: Tuesday, 09 Nov 2010, 4:06 PM | Message # 35 |
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| Mr. Ordan, forgive me but I do not believe that I have seen you in this body before and am curious as to whether or not you can be voting on these matters as you must first be approved by the body and can not vote on measures concurrent with or preceeding you approval
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 09 Nov 2010, 4:17 PM | Message # 36 |
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| *Senator Ordan made a small cough, which may or may not have hidden a chuckle.* Senator Star, if you will observe my distinguished record, you will see that I have been representing the constituency of Anaxes for the most part of the last decade. While I have been largely silent on the issues of the last few months, I have been working, as I often do, behind the scenes, to bring about a better, stronger, future for us all and for the Empire. While you may not have seen my face around, I can assure you I have served in the Senate since two years after the end of the Clone Wars. And as such am more than eligible, and more than intellectually equipped to vote on this matter of great import.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
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| Crin_Star | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 3:20 AM | Message # 37 |
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| "Grand Vizier, I would like to propose the motion that this bill be reconsidered by paragraph so that the key parts of this piece of legislation may be passed while those which would do more harm than good can be voted to be removed from the bill at large. I do believe such a measure would be something of a compromise allowing us to move forward with the beneficial parts of this bill while removing the malignant pieces."
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 4:32 AM | Message # 38 |
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| I would not oppose this move, should this piece of legislation fail to pass. There is no malignancy in this legislation, only a lack of wisdom from those who attack it. This act has been very much open to discussion, and I have explained many points in detail, and taken onboard ideas from the floor. It should be noted that the Chair does not oppose this bill., and that being the case, why would the chair not oppose malignancy?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 9:50 AM | Message # 39 |
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| Senator Oriel, I have noted a piece of information that ought to be taken into account and, as such, I propose the following amendments\: "Capital ships are defined as any armed military starship that have a length greater than one hundred meters. This shall not pertain to armed commerce vessels, which shall be seen as distinct." This needs to be modified to say, "Capital ships are defined as any armed starship that has served in a military capacity in either the Imperial or Republic naval forces with a length greater than one hundred meters. Furthermore, these vessels can not be declared as private yachts. This shall not pertain to armed commerce vessels, which shall be seen as distinct." I note this because the Minstrel-class space yacht is indeed larger than even the CR90 Corvette and is considered an armed capital ship. As such, a clause must be inserted limiting the vessels one can declare to be a private yacht to slip by this measure.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 10:15 AM | Message # 40 |
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| Happy to add your amendment as a friendly one to this act. However, may I propose one small change to the wording? "Capital ships are defined as any armed starship that has served in a military capacity in either the Imperial, Republic or Other Military forces with a length greater than one hundred meters (If a query is raised with regard to status of any particular vessel or class, it should be referred to the Defence Council for a ruling). Furthermore, these vessels can not be declared as private yachts. This shall not pertain to armed commerce vessels, which shall be seen as distinct."
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 10:22 AM | Message # 41 |
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| Excellent, Senator. I heartily approve.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 10:47 AM | Message # 42 |
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| The amendment is so added. I think this exchange represents, Senator Ryuun, how reasonable and un-dogmatic this issue is. We all (I hope) wish to see a more secure and safe Empire for everyone. And I would go so far as to state all those who oppose this bill are either severely misguided or actually do seek aggressive military force. Evidently, the amateur Senators Peacecraft and Chakrei can be excused however, for being poorly versed, coming as they do from worlds with little sophistication or breeding. Senator Veritas on the other hand concerns me more, coming from a rather bellicose backwater world in the outer rim, it concerns me he may be seeking to expand his planet's holdings by force of arms, while risking his own peoples security (in seeking a fleet composed of a few expensive vessels, instead of many moderately priced anti pirate vessels).
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Milliardo_Peacecraft | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 2:33 PM | Message # 43 |
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| Senator Oriel, I surely hope you are not insulting my home planet of Naboo, and my adopted home planet of Garos IV. I am sure you are not implying that either of those planets have little sophistication due to the fact that the representatives do not agree with you. Garos IV feels the need to protect ourselves from any threats that may come our way. While we would love to depend on only the Imperial Fleet to defend us, with the recent talks of cutting Imperial Aid to planets in need, Garos cannot depend only on the Empire to protect its interests from separatists and rebels. If we were to depend only upon the Imperial Fleet for matters such as these, the Imperial Fleet would not be able to keep up with the demand for its resources. It is for this reason alone, Garos votes against this motion. We must be able to defend our borders as well as those of the Empire. If we were to fall to the rebels, if they were to ever become that organized, who is to say a more powerful system would not also? Can we depend on one fleet? Even if it is the Imperial Fleet to protect all of us? Milliardo Peacecraft
Representative for Garos IV
Chief Advisor to Queen Cerra
Head of Pediatrics, University of Garos Hospital
Professor of Medicine, University of Garos
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 2:42 PM | Message # 44 |
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| I'm not proposing that you shouldn't have a fleet Mr Peacecraft. Although perhaps your Naboo education is failing you here. Although I suspect even in the Chommell Sector a doctor ought to be able to read? For the umpteenth time Mr Peacecraft, I urge you to read the legislation.
A defensive fleet is allowable under the legislation, this bill in no way inhibits your worlds right to defend itself, only constrains it from attacking others.
Most worlds will not be effected by this legislation, only those with aggressive fleets. I don't expect you to listen to reason, however. As you've obviously neither read the act or listened to the debate so far, seems unlikely that you will mend your ways now..
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| Crin_Star | Date: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 2:57 PM | Message # 45 |
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| Senator Oriel, what you ARE proposing is a bill which will restrict the abilities of those planetary fleets from doing their jobs. Weakening them and forcing planets to give up their one edge over the pirates and other non-imperial forces which may decide to attack a planet. By forcing planets to accept weaker, smaller ships you are putting them in a position where they have a choice to pick a ship that can either be destroyed costing lives and credits or picking a ship without its 'bite.' You claim this measure is to stop fleets from becoming aggressive but I am going to have to put it to you once again since YOU don't seem to understand. These fleets are NOT aggressive. As much as you may try to dress it up that fact remains. Now the other portions of this bill, such as limiting a hyperdrive and placing imperial officers with the rights to take command of these vessels are not all that bad of ideas. But forcing planets to remove the best weapon they may have is not. If it were not for that one section I would be greatly inclined to support this measure but as long as that one piece remains, my support must remain with the opposition to this bill. Dress your words however you like senator, but the fact remains that your measure will only serve to weaken the defenses of Imperial Worlds.
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