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The Capital Vessels Act
Bernard_OrielDate: Wednesday, 10 Nov 2010, 3:09 PM | Message # 46
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Every World in the Galaxy stands to benefit from this act. It will help secure their defenses. It will stimulate shipping worlds such as Kuat, It will ensure the continuation of Imperial Stability.

Senator Star, is it the job of a planetary fleet to attack other worlds? For surely it is against Imperial Law. Worlds are not forced to have ships any weaker, a range of options are open to them in this act to render them defensive, including Hyperdrive downgrades, weapons reductions etc..

I will quote to you an example. How is an "Acclamator-class Assault Ship" (I quote its full name from Rothana's own catalogue) anything but an Assault ship? It is armed, designed and engineered for Assault. It is a vessel designed for Invasion. Planet's should not be allowed to possess vessels for Assault or Invasion, and thus this act is proposed to curb the chance of Assault vessels such as these from being dangerous to everyone.

This bill will not force any planet to remove any ship from service, simply modify them to make them defensive ships, not assault ships.

This bill also allows a huge number of appropriate, and very powerful warships, to enter into service for a planetary fleet, giving them more than enough ability to defend themselves, excellent vessels such as the Nebulon-B, Carrack, Lancer, Bayonet and literally hundreds of other classes which are suited to planetary defence, not attack.

This is a bill to curb the threat of aggressive ships and encourage and nurture the use of defensive ships.


Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
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Tremaine_FowlkesDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 2:35 AM | Message # 47
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I vote in favor of The Capital Vessels Act.

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Bernard_OrielDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 5:35 AM | Message # 48
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Thank you Senator Fowlkes. You are voting for a better future for us all.

Bernard Oriel
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Exar_RayDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 9:39 AM | Message # 49
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A question Senator Oriel; how would smaller planetary governments such as Dantooine benefit from this act? I realize that other governments with bigger budgets will be able to afford such vessels, but what about for smaller planets?

 
Bernard_OrielDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 3:00 PM | Message # 50
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Senator Ray, this is a bill which will assure your security from richer, larger, worlds which seek to take from small worlds their resources, rights and sovereignty. This is a bill which will see that if (heaven forfend) a world did decide to attack the peaceful and noble world of Dantooine, and its people, then it would find its ability to compromise your sovereignty restricted by this bill.

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Senator_CambristDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 5:43 PM | Message # 51
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I am still prepared to support this measure, but for Senator Ryuun's amendment, which I find odd. I can appreciate that his intent is to prevent ships from being arbitrarily designated a different class and, thus, escaping this measure's regulations, but to define a warship based on whether or not it has been in a war seems to me, frankly, bizarre. Am I to believe that if I built a new vessel, one thousand meters in length, say, that it would not be considered a warship because it has not served in a military force before? This would make every vessel constructed after the passage of this bill immune from this bill. Surely this is a loophole greater than the one Senator Ryuun means to close.

Is it not more important whether a ship is intended to serve as a warship? That is, a ship that is built and intended to be a warship is a warship, while a ship that is intended to be a yacht is a yacht. That way, there is no confusion between the two.


 
LomenRyuunDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 5:53 PM | Message # 52
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Technically speaking, Senator Cambrist, any vessel can serve as a warship with the right modifications. My intent was to prevent someone from removing the necessary weapons from, say, a Venator so that it complies with the defensive regulations of this bill and then declaring it a personal transport, such as a yacht. After all, yacht is a relative term. Perhaps we should consider limiting, to some extent, the amount of weapons a personal vessel can mount. Size itself matters little, I believe, in the long run. A two hundred meter vessel sporting only a pair of quad laser turrets is less deadly than a sixty meter vessel bristling with concussion missile tubes and and several turrets.

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Bernard_OrielDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 5:54 PM | Message # 53
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Capital ships are defined as any armed starship that has served (or is intended to serve) in a military capacity in either the Imperial, Republic or Other Military forces with a length greater than one hundred meters (If a query is raised with regard to status of any particular vessel or class, it should be referred to the Defence Council for a ruling). Furthermore, these vessels can not be declared as private yachts. This shall not pertain to armed commerce vessels, which shall be seen as distinct.

I'd welcome any revision.


Bernard Oriel
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Senator_CambristDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 5:58 PM | Message # 54
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This seems reasonable enough to me, especially with recourse to the defense committee if need be. I vote in favor. Senator Ryuun's point though, regarding the weapons loadout being a more important criterion than length alone, is well taken. But I hope he will agree, as I do, that the amendment in this form is as adequate as it need be for now.

 
LomenRyuunDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 5:59 PM | Message # 55
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You'll find no debate from me, Senator.

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Sate_PestageDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 6:03 PM | Message # 56
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There having been a number of amendments to this measure, I wonder if Senator Oriel will be willing to present the marked-up version of the bill for final consideration.

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Bernard_OrielDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 6:07 PM | Message # 57
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Your Honour,

Apologies for jumping the gun on this count. I have edited the original text of the bill at the start of this debate's file. Friendly amendments are listed in bold.


Bernard Oriel
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Crin_StarDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 7:08 PM | Message # 58
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Crin sighed and would rise up once again seeking the floor and upon obtaining it shook her head a bit.

"Well, for those expecting me to bow out graciously I fear you will be sorely disappointed. As there is still debate to be had on this bill, however I am the one who has taken the floor and under the right of a senator, am choosing to now hold this floor for as long as I can continue to speak." She would smile up to Senator Oriel. "As much as you have offered on this bill, which I will admit does have its good points, there is an undeniable risk to voting in favor of this bill." she continued. "Which of course have already been discussed to an impasse which it seems must remain on this singular piece of legislation.

And for that reason, perhaps we should take something of a lighter tone during this discussion.

I would like to start by perhaps discussing some of the ships which the good senator has been so kind enough to bring up.

The Venator-Class
The Venator-class Star Destroyer, also known as the Venator-class Destroyer, Republic attack cruiser, and later Imperial attack cruiser, was one of the capital ships used extensively by the Galactic Republic during the later parts of the Clone Wars, as well as by the Galactic Empire. It was designed and constructed by Kuat Drive Yards and Allanteen Six shipyards.

Characteristics:

Dimensions:
A stock ship was 1,137 meters long, making it one of the largest capital ships capable of atmospheric operations, landing on planets to load and unload troops and vehicles.
The Venator-class was born from the success of the Acclamator-class assault ship and was designed by Lira Blissex for the purpose of serving as a medium-sized, versatile multi-role warship.

Roles

While designed primarily for ship-to-ship combat, the Venator had secondary roles ranging from starfighter carrier, to military transport and battleship escort. The expanded carrier role made the Venator-class popular amongst Jedi starfighter aces.
As a popular multi-role warship of the Republic Navy, the Venator was considered heavily armed and armored enough to lead assaults on Rim worlds like Utapau as well as fast enough to chase down blockade runners. Due to being relatively less self-sufficient than other ships in the fleet, the Venator-class often relied upon supply lines to aid long-range campaigns.

These vessels also sported the red color of diplomatic immunity all Republic ships sported; by the beginning of the Galactic Empire, the hulls were deprived of this symbol of the Republic, giving them a dull Imperial-gray appearance.

Offensive and defensive systems

The armament of a single Venator-class Star Destroyer consisted of 8 DBY-827 heavy dual turbolaser turrets, 2 medium dual turbolaser cannons, 52 point-defense dual laser cannons or turbolasers, and 4 heavy proton torpedo tubes.

The Venator-class's eight heavy dual turbolaser turrets were its main weapons and had two tracking modes. In its precise, long-range tracking mode, the DBY-827 could hit a target vessel at a range of 10 light minutes. During close-range fights, the turrets could rotate in three seconds with their fast-tracking mode. In terms of firepower, these weapons rivaled the main battery on the later Imperial-class Star Destroyers.
The DBY-827 had seven different power settings. This allowed the Venator's pilots and gunners to select a range of destruction, from a small strike to a vaporizing blow. As a true warship, the Venator-class Star Destroyer could divert almost all of its reactor output to its heavy turbolasers when needed. As a result of this, a flotilla of Venators could break through the shields of a Trade Federation battleship with ease.

At the suggestion of Anakin Skywalker, a heavy SPHA turbolaser cannon was installed within the ventral hangar bay of some Venator-class ships of the Open Circle Fleet. These weapons were meant to protect the Star Destroyers while they opened their long ventral doors to the army complement bays. They would be used to considerable effect during the Battle of Coruscant.

Propulsion systems
Venators were equipped with powerful engines, a Class 1 hyperdrive with an effective range of 60,000 light-years. Its main reactor could annihilate up to 40,000 tons of hypermatter fuel per second, producing at maximum 3.6 × 1024 watts of power.
The main engine room had several vertical power cylinders littering the room, with walkways on different levels providing access to onboard personnel.

Complement

Despite possessing powerful weaponry and being on par with the Victory-class, the Venator-class was designed with an additional starfighter carrier role in mind. Its hangar bays were far larger than those on other Star Destroyers like the Victory-class and later models like the Imperator/Imperial-class.

Prior to the formation of the Galactic Empire, a typical Republic Venator carried a complement of 420 fighters: 192 V-wing or V-19 Torrent starfighters, 192 Eta-2 Actis-class interceptors, and 36 ARC-170 starfighters. The ship also typically maintained a variety of shuttles in its hangars. Since it was capable of entering a planet's atmosphere and landing on its surface, the pre-Imperial Venator-class had a standard complement of 40 LAAT/i gunships and 24 military walkers for planetary operations. The cruiser is also capable of holding one Prefabricated garrison base for long term battles on planets.

In addition to a standard ventral hangar bay, the bow of a Venator could open up to reveal a half kilometer long dorsal flight deck. This flight deck enabled the Venator-class to rapidly launch hundreds of fighters. However, the slow opening and closing of the armored bow doors could leave the ship extremely vulnerable.

Although strong shielding was used to compensate for this weakness, this design aspect would be entirely omitted from later Star Destroyer designs, such as the Imperator/Imperial-class. On ships in the Open Circle Fleet, a SPHA turbolaser cannon was positioned near the ventral hangar opening for the purpose of protecting the ship along the ventral arc. The Venator-class also had hangar-openings on its port and starboard side. These were used to dock with space stations, mooring towers, and larger starships, for the purpose of transferring troops and materials.

Command tower

Because of its carrier role, the Venator-class featured a novel dual bridge tower design. The port tower was the starfighter command bridge, while the starboard tower served as a standard helm and command bridge. On future designs, this dual bridge design was also employed.

The command bridge was designed with dual crew pits where operators would be stationed to control the ship's various functions. Officers would patrol walkways above and have a panoramic view to the outside. This bridge design would become a standard feature on most Imperial warships.
On top of each tower was a hyperwave communications and scanner module. Its function was similar to the scanner globes on the Imperial-class and other KDY vessels, but it had a flat shape.Flagships in Venator flotillas had red-painted conning towers to separate them from others.

History

Old Republic Service

The Venator-class shared some design-characteristics with a warship class that served in the Mandalorian Neo-Crusader Fleet thousands of years before the Clone Wars.

Venator-class Star Destroyers were deployed in many battles during the Clone Wars, most notably during the Battle of Coruscant when upwards of a thousand such ships helped protect the capital, and played pivotal roles in the repulsion of the CIS forces and the rescue of Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. Separatist forces categorized this kind of vessel as Cruiser-class, to contrast the Escort-class designation for smaller vessels, like the Arquitens-class and Consular-class.

These warships were fast enough to pursue blockade runners, while also being large enough to lead independent operations, such as the Battle of Kashyyyk and the Battle of Utapau. They could be used to land troops on planetary surfaces, and serve as escorts for the larger battleships, but their primary role was as mainline cruisers and starfighter carriers. As ships of the line, they were often grouped in lines of three to four ships."

Crin would pause for a moment in her spiel to glance up at Senator Oriel almost with a look of regret wishing that it didn't have to come this but she had the floor and the glance would tell him that she was only getting started.

"Now I must ask why should we care? These ships are outdated and don't exactly pose a threat to Imperial Security. But I digress and on to the next one."

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Bernard_OrielDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 7:20 PM | Message # 59
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"Thank you for your direct copy and paste from the encyclopaedia Senator Star, I feel a simple link in the record would work better in future.

I would agree that particular vessel, unless in significant numbers, does not "threaten imperial security" but it could be a fearsome commerce raider, or could be used by one world to intimidate another with great ease. Id draw attention to its LAAT/i gunships (40) and Military walkers (24) and a standard marine compliment of 2000, this is a fearsome assault force, easily capable of conquering say, Dantooine or Mowgle with relative ease. Why should a world be able to possess such a vessel which poses only to threaten its would be friends."

"Now allow me to quote your own article "These warships were fast enough to pursue blockade runners, while also being large enough to lead independent operations, such as the Battle of Kashyyyk and the Battle of Utapau. They could be used to land troops on planetary surfaces", this indicates my point nicely. They are weapons designed for assault, not defence and so must have this capacity removed before it is appropriate that a world is able to incorporate them in their own fleets which are designed for defence."

"If I might motion the chair to close this debate. We are going around in circles and discussing semantics irrelevant to the bill as a whole."


Bernard Oriel
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1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate


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Crin_StarDate: Thursday, 11 Nov 2010, 7:22 PM | Message # 60
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Crin would shake her head quickly interrupting the Senator before he could begin.

"Senator Oriel I remind you that I still hold the floor and any remarks that you wish to make must be held until either I yield the floor to you for however much time as designated or, After I am through."

 
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