Repeal of turbolasers provision
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Crin_Star | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 4:49 PM | Message # 1 |
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| "Senators I promise that this will be a short one but it has to be done." This measure will simply modify the previous bill by remove section three paragraph e in which the turbolasers are forced to be removed from all vessels. This measure weakens any planetary defense by removing the firepower necessary to defend a system
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Milliardo_Peacecraft | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 4:55 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Garos seconds this motion to remove Section 3, Paragraph E of the Capital Vassels Act. Milliardo Peacecraft Garos IV
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Artemis_Vanden | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 4:57 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Naboo remains firmly against weapons of war. I have nothing to add to my previous remarks.
Artemis Vanden Representative of the Naboo
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 4:59 PM | Message # 4 |
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| Senator, stop attempting to change law for the whole empire so you'll be allowed your battleship's overpowered gunnery. It is wholly inappropriate for you to mount such colossal weapons. I'd like to raise a point of information with the Chair. Section 3,Paragraph E in the Capital Ships Act doesn't forbid turbo lasers. The Senator of Volus is misrepresenting the facts in what appears to be part of a trend in making breaches of protocol in order to benefit her. Obviously I vote against allowing this motion. Enough of your dirty politics.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Crin_Star | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 5:03 PM | Message # 5 |
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| As a point of personal order I would like to make it clear to the Senator that I did not say banned all turbolasers but instead THE turbolasers which were refering to the specific ones mentioned in the bill. And honestly Senator Ordan, that ship is of little matter in this debate though I would be curious how you came about the designs. This is a matter of planetary defense and that particular paragraph will weaken each planets right to defend its space.
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 5:13 PM | Message # 6 |
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| Allow me to quote the Senator of Volus. " in which the turbolasers are forced to be removed from all vessels.". This is a blatant attempt at a self interested wish to maintain an aggressive vessel which is wholly inappropriate for the use of any planetary defence vessel. Your vessel can replace its weapons with normal turbo lasers, as my act allows. You really ought to consider how your seeking of massive firepower must look to your neighbours. No one wants to be threatened by your massive guns which could flatten cities and indiscriminately kill millions. I could not in all good conscience vote to allow the delegalisation of such weapons of mass destruction for individual worlds. Peace for all. Defence for all. The ability to attack for none. I vote against this motion.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Tremaine_Fowlkes | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 5:15 PM | Message # 7 |
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| I'm sorry but I have to vote against the motion to repeal turbolaser provisions.
Tremaine Fowlkes Senator of Telos IV
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Crin_Star | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 5:17 PM | Message # 8 |
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| "Before you make wild accusations against Volus senator perhaps you should do some research on the planet. Now I will admit that I look out for the people of Volus, as I was sent here to do and as I believe you were Senator Oriel. To speak for them in the bigger voice of the empire. However this measure threatens ALL planets wishing to maintain the firepower necessary to defend themselves. And your right I specifically said THE turbolasers not all turbolasers."
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Senator_Ordan | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 5:29 PM | Message # 9 |
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| Only your repealing motion threatens worlds Senator Star. This motion is one which proposes to give big worlds a military edge over amasser worlds. I support strong Independent Worlds. I do not support your quest to permit those worlds to have the ability to flatten continents, slaughter millions and ruin the peace which we have all fought for. Your motion threatens only proliferation of dangerous weapons. Your motion promises war, destruction and horror. Have you seen a community hit by one of these weapons Senator Star? The horror of skeletons melted into the glass of the floor, frozen in paroxysms of pain? Have you seen the burns the people in the area suffer from the horrific heat? The wildfires caused which can consume whole communities and slaughter countless more. I will never vote to allow worlds to possess the kinds of heavy turbo lasers which caused these horrors. It is thoroughly despicable that you seem to wish to see individual worlds in possession of weapons of mass destruction. A world can be more than adequately protected under the Capital Ships Act, it levels the playing field with regard to planetary forces. I would not dream of endorsing the militarist and expansionist fantasies held by the supporters of this act.
Senator Hubert Ordan __________________________
Senator of the Azure Sector Foreign Minister of Anaxes Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes Autocrat of Selgon Owner of Azure Durasteel Systems Admiral (Ret) Order of the Canted Circle
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 5:39 PM | Message # 10 |
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| No it doesn't. Stop being silly Senator Star, you're simply lying now. You could own a dozen Golan II stations under this act, a dozen Carrack-class Cruisers or Nebulon-B Frigates. We've been over this before. It is your own motion which threatens our security. It's your motion which seeks to allow worlds with the weapons that Senator Ordan has highlighted as inappropriate for worlds to own. The Capital Ships Act endorses worlds which seek to defend themselves, and seeks to encourage worlds not to maintain aggressive force (and indeed prevents them doing so).
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Crin_Star | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 6:12 PM | Message # 11 |
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| "To your question Senator Ordan, yes I have seen those things. I served in both the Volusian and with other militias all through the clone wars. Even when Volus was invaded I fought against the Separatist forces. I could tell you stories from the battle field but this is not the time not the place for such things. Those experiences in the war is what forces me to push this measure, to make sure that worlds will no longer be subject to the types of invasions Volus was. If we had been in possession of the ship which you so denounce many would have been spared. To say that these weapons pose a great danger is no lie, but the greater danger lies in NOT having them. To allow enemies to brush your defenses aside as if they were a mere nuisance and be powerless to stop them. That is why there is a need for these weapons to prevent such tragedies from occurring again. And anyone who votes in favor of refusing to allow planets the right to defend themselves is in essence supporting such atrocities in the future. And as to Senator Oriel, your right we could possess those ships, but instead we have chosen, as is our hereditary right, to put our men and women in space in less danger by providing them a ship more capable of defending itself. With stronger shields and a much thicker hull and the ability to drive away most attackers from our system. If YOU wanted those ships by all means but it is not a right solution for everyone and you should not try to force it onto everyone.
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Friday, 12 Nov 2010, 6:23 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Vjun doesn't waste it's money on ridiculous and threatening capital vessels we do not need. We maintain a strong network of ground based and orbital weapons. We don't want to intimidate and threaten others. Volus can sell or scrap its vessel. It can buy new ones. Your obscene battleship is a danger to everyone on your world. It represents a strategy which everyone has known from childhood to be bad: putting all your eggs in one basket. Itnis a travesty which doesn't serve to protect your people, and in not having a better defence strategy I feel your government should be impeached for gross negligence. It's horrible to think you're risking your world with the inadequate force you're proposing based around one ship. In the name of sanity, stop seeking Imperial recognition for your militaristic dreams of grandeur. Scrap your strategically worthless vessel and select a selection of defences for your world. Your aggressive, intimidating, hulking dinosaur of a vessel is not offering you the defence you claim to need. You do not need a vessel of aggression such as this for defence, you need defence vessels.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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Crin_Star | Date: Saturday, 13 Nov 2010, 3:56 AM | Message # 13 |
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| ((Im sorry but thats enough your character would not have this type of information IC wise about the ship specifically neither one of them would for that matter)) Added (13 Nov 2010, 4:56 Am) --------------------------------------------- Allow me to make a simple compromise as this will work for all parties involved. Instead of its outright repeal we will simply modify it to add the words that it does not apply to any vessel who meets the requirements of a defensive ship. Which should abate the senators concerns that these vessels will be used against neighbors as they have very slow or no hyperdrive at all.
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Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Saturday, 13 Nov 2010, 8:54 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Senator Star, Senator Oriel...the two of you are acting like children bickering in a school yard. I am sure that there are others in the senate that I speak for when I say that your petty bickering is becoming tedious and is inappropriate for this chamber. The Grand Vizier has already stated as such when the original bill was proposed. That being said, I also vote against this measure, and hope that the two of you can leave the decision to the Senators that have yet to voice their opinions.
Ilanah R. Thanatos Senator of Chandrila
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Bernard_Oriel | Date: Saturday, 13 Nov 2010, 9:14 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Senators, I apologize to the chamber if my rhetoric was in any way inappropriate.
Bernard Oriel Senator for the Planet of Vjun 1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation) Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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