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A Bill Prohibiting Refusal of Service to Senators
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:22 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Senators, I'm tired of restaurants on Imperial Center refusing service to me. I am an Imperial Senator, and these establishments should be made to respect that. So maybe I've said some things in the past that they don't like, about how pollution is progress, or fathering more children than perhaps I have time for, or if Toydarians are sentient, or if their food is any good (the answer to both is No). But the point is I'm a Governor and a Senator of this fine Empire and refusing service to me is an act of defiance and treason against the EMpire itself! I propose that no dining establishment, or catering service, or taxi, or house of prostitution can deny service to an Imperial Senator. This isn't about me, it's about respect for authority. I vote in favor
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
Message edited by Johannes_Oswaldt - Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:28 PM |
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:25 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Are you serious about this? This isn't a joke of some sort? I believe we have more important things to discuss than your hurt ego. Honestly, if I had a restuarant or a place of pleasure, I would not serve you there. Nor would I welcome you into my home for dinner or office for a nice warm mug of hot chocolate and cookies. Establishments should not be required to allow senators into their buildings if they do not wish to. I vote AGAINST this motion, if this is for real.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Crin_Star | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:32 PM | Message # 3 |
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| "And I am the one accused of waisting the Senate's time. I am going to agree with Senator Cerra on this one and vote against this measure."
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| Ilanah_Thanatos | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:34 PM | Message # 4 |
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| How appalling, Governor, that you have been treated in such a manner. In civilized society, no less! While I am new to Imperial Center, I have not been treated thusly, though based on your reputation....never mind that. Perhaps you should try keeping different company from time to time when you dine out, and then perhaps that reputation will change> Aside from that, I apologize for feeling that this is an unnecessary waste of the senates time when there are so many important issues to discuss. Though if it will make you happy, and since the time is already spent, I will vote in favor of your bill, if for nothing more than to see it over with and off of the floor.
Ilanah R. Thanatos
Senator of Chandrila
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:37 PM | Message # 5 |
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| I cannot believe anyone would vote infavor of such a waste of our time and resources!
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Taja_Lohden | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:43 PM | Message # 6 |
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| While this may seem an odd use of our time and resources on the surface, Senator Cerra, there is a deeper underlying issue here. Governor Oswaldt's disposition as a Senator and a Governor are not to be ignored, but the actions taken against him are a breach of simplistic civil rights allowed to anyone. No man, woman or child, of Human or intelligent non-human descent or origin, should be refused basic freedom of speech, or be targeted and repressed because of it. I vote in favour Governer Oswaldt, in the hope that such absurdities are never again levelled toward any sentient for expressing the opinions that are their own
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:48 PM | Message # 7 |
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| This is not a joke, Garos. I said this isnt about me.. This is about respect for the Empire. Would you let your children disrespect you? I wouldnt, if I knew them. And the Empire shouldnt let its people disrespect its authority either. Today its a Toydarian restaurant refusing service to an Imperial Senator, tomorrow Toydaria is seceding from the Empire! More clone wars, anyone? Where do we draw the line on disobedience, Senators? Oh sure, its about crazy Joe Oswaldt's ego. Well tomorrow it's someone elses ego, and someone elses. Another straw, then another, then another.. Then the eopie's back is broken. Zero tolernace, Senators. Thats what will keep our Empire one and strong. And thank you Ilanah, if I may call you Ilanah, for voting with your head and I'm sure with your heart as well. Added (15 Nov 2010, 4:48 PM)
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And thank you as well Senator Lohden. And might I say you're looking well today.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 3:50 PM | Message # 8 |
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| So we are taking away more and more of our people’s freedoms? It is a right of any business owner to refuse service to those they find to be undesirable. If I was denied service at a restaurant, sure it would sting but I would find somewhere else to eat. I would find someone else to pay. Do you really want to give your money to those who do not like you and feel so strongly about you, they would deny you service? By arguing freedom of speech, is this not those business owners freedom of speech to tell him no? To tell any of us to take a hike? If you wish to make this about freedom of speech, we can but it’s about his bruised ego. Are we losing all sense of purpose here? Next someone will be suggesting nap time. And Senator, If I had any children, they wouldn't allow a person, such as yourself, near them. They would run right to mommy.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:19 PM | Message # 9 |
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| I would vote in favor if an amendment was made. After all, no establishment can refuse any Imperial citizen for the sake of free speech. However, if a Senator refuses to comply with a dress code (indecent exposure is a possibility, after all), or acts belligerently intoxicated or in a threatening manner, it seems only fair to refuse said person, senator or otherwise, admittance to said place. That being said, Druckenwell abstains to vote.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
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Representative, Therenor Prime
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Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:33 PM | Message # 10 |
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| And that, Garos, is whats wrong with your children.. real or not. Children and women need a strong, paternal hand on the tiller (or elsewhere if they get too unruly). But that was a metaphor, Garos. The point is this is about respect and its about rights. I don't know how its done on your planet, but Eriadu defends the rights of its people.. its, well.. its human people. And that includes my rights. If I have to use Eriadu troops to defend my rights, I will. I will defend my rights from some Toydarian restaurant, and I will defend my rights from Senators too. And Senator Ryuun.. "indecent exposure"? What do you do in restaurants, Sir? And what do you take me for?
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:47 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Children and women need a strong, paternal hand? I believe you should take your chauvinistic views and shove them down your own throat. What women and children need in this galaxy, in this Empire, is for someone to actually look out for them and not for themselves! But I apologize; it seems that this body has forgotten who they really serve. We have turned into no more than entitled teenagers caring only about ourselves and what we can get, or what people will give us. This is not about respect, this is all about your ego and how someone has bruised it. Well guess what, not everyone in this galaxy is going to love you. It is something you will just need to deal with on your own.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:54 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Senator please, this is no place to discuss your feelings for me. Be professional.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Janar_Cerra | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 4:57 PM | Message # 13 |
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| Why do you not try and be professional and deal with your bruised ego yourself. This is a waste of our time and my energy that I could be putting forth to actually serve my people and not fight off idiotic bills such as this.
Ja'nar Cerra
Queen of Garos IV
Acting Senator to the Republic, Garos IV
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 5:11 PM | Message # 14 |
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| I am a uniformed official of the Empire. Refusing service to me is an act of defiance against the Empire. That's what this is about, Senator.. respect for authority. It isn't about me.. Unless, for you, it is about me? I have known many a woman who are driven to mad passion by my commanding visage, moustache and all, and my manful frame. But I did not assume you to be one of them until now. Truly, Senator, this isnt the time or place for passion of this sort. Later, perhaps.
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Monday, 15 Nov 2010, 5:12 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Senator Oswaldt. I feel it likely that there are already measures in place which establish that an individual should not be able to refuse to contract with an individual on the basis of his political opinions. While I am no legal expert, I must vote against this specific example (as specific law is bad law), but propose you table a more general bill regarding the right of Imperial officials not to be discriminated against. I also call upon you to name this establishment that refused to serve you for politics sake, that it might be shamed for its unpatriotic beliefs.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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