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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 10:48 AM | Message # 16 |
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| Senator Fowlkes, Quote "you're wanting to brand abortions of human babies simply to promote Human High Culture?" I gave at least 5 other reasons for this measure too. I suggest you read it. Quote "this kind of decisions should be up to the individuals that are experiencing pregnancy throughout the galaxy. Shouldn't they have the freedom to make that kind of decisions?" No more than they should have the freedom to kill the person in front of them in line at the Bureau of Ships and Services because that person is inconvenient to them. Senator Riada, Quote "Human babies shouldn't be aborted, I'll agree with you on that." Then vote in favor. Then propose your own alien abortion ban or animal abortion ban or whatever, and see if it passes. In the meantime theres no reason not to support my bill. Senator Star, Quote "as any reputable medical professional will attest to these are not children but rather a fetus lacking many of the defining characteristics of a human until later in the pregnancy." An embryo is genetically distinct from its mother at conception. It is not only a possible person but a probable person, as probable as the sun rise. Truly Senator I know you have no children but have you no maternal instincts or compassion at all? Pay attention Volusians, to what your senator is saying in your name... Senator Terrawin, Quote "there are orphanages, foster parents, adoptive parents.. even if the mother does not wish to love her child others will Senators.. others will.." Thank you senator. There is truly no reason to abort a child when child birth in this day and age is as simple a procedure as abortion, or can be done in artificial wombs, etc. and when adoption of children is in much demand throughout the galaxy. I don't see how any of Senator Star's ramblings about "forcing women to carry unwanted children who would either end up abandoned or abused" are at all relevant or true. I cant believe i'm the one whose saying this senators, but have a heart.
Johannes Oswaldt
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| Crin_Star | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 10:54 AM | Message # 17 |
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| Senator Oswaldt, This is not about maternal instincts or compassion but rather about an attempt to revoke a woman's right to privacy and the right of a patient to make an informed medical decision.
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 10:54 AM | Message # 18 |
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| It is not a "sacred privilege" to murder children, especially when affordable options such as growing the baby in an artificial womb are available. This is just preventing their pointless murder. I wouldnt mind outlawing circumcision, a pointless and potentially damaging procedure which was introduced by religious zealots to destroy or curtail sexual pleasure, especially of children. Mutiliating your children's genitals is child abuse unless they are of an age to choose. Someone is free to do what they want to themselves, mutilate themselves, kill themselves, if they choose. They should not be free to torture, mutilate or murder their children, born or unborn. Plastic surgery is completely different, as it is a procedure one has done which has no resulting consequences for others, when you do something which hurts or kills another, it is a crime..
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 10:57 AM | Message # 19 |
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| "this is not about compassion." Pay attention Volusians. Added (18 Jan 2011, 11:57 Am)
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Also young lady, I will be referred to as Governor Oswaldt.
Johannes Oswaldt
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| Fabio | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 11:04 AM | Message # 20 |
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| The problem, Governor Oswaldt. Is my father as he was teaching me about politics is to be my self and stand up for what I believe in.... I know this is wrong... but I also know it should be the female's choice as well... Kind've.... I mean we don't want an overpopulated galaxy. Even if they are all human.
Fabio Riada. King of Anobis.
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 11:11 AM | Message # 21 |
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| There are plenty of people who would love to bring up these children Senator Fabio Riada.. Many billions want children but are medically unable.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Crin_Star | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 11:14 AM | Message # 22 |
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| Senator Ordan, Senator Oswaldt Abortions as they stand are not murder if for the simple reason as the current law does not define it as such. To refer to them as such and to call practicing doctors and law-abiding citizens murderers is absolutely unacceptable within a reputable chamber such as this and ask the chair to strike their remarks from the record."
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 11:21 AM | Message # 23 |
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| Senator Riada, Quote "my father as he was teaching me about politics is to be my self and stand up for what I believe in...." Quote "Human babies shouldn't be aborted, I'll agree with you on that." I dont see the problem? Senator Star, Quote Abortions as they stand are not murder if for the simple reason as the current law does not define it as such. Ive said some things before that are out there I'll admit.. but nothing like this. We make laws, senator. Because something is not a law is no argument for it not to be a law. Am I seriously explaining this to a senator right now? Do you seriously think we have all the laws we're ever going to and shouldnt make any more? Senator Prosper is rolling in his grave.. and I happen to know he supported the rights of unborn children too. I'm giving reasons to vote for my bill. its obvious you're only giving excuses to vote against it
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 11:22 AM | Message # 24 |
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| Senator Star, you always call for things to be struck from the record. And they never are. Perhaps a lesson to be learned? They are simply murderers if they kill children, there is no need for their deaths when artificial wombs can be used to carry the child if they wish not to.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Crin_Star | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 12:06 PM | Message # 25 |
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| "First off, I was speaking that under the current law using such language is inappropriate and should not be used to describe any law-abiding citizen." She smiled softly. "Secondly, I would challenge that notion. Senator Prosper did oppose abortion on a moral basis but often remarked that to destroy a woman's fundamental right to privacy was unacceptable. He often stated that it was not a matter for the law to decide instead a matter that would best be dealt with in the court of culture. That instead of it being legislated it should instead be enacted by people wishing to preserve a right to privacy which once taken will not come back easily."
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 12:09 PM | Message # 26 |
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| Nobody should have the "right" to kill children for any reason.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 12:18 PM | Message # 27 |
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| Maybe old Milo told you what you wanted to hear, senator. He told me in the Senate lounge once that he wished there was a law protecting unborn children from the whims of mothers having second thoughts but that hysterical Old Republic senators would never let it happen. maybe now some Imperial senators too? Added (18 Jan 2011, 1:18 PM)
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By the way where is this "right to privacy" in the Imperial Charter? I dont see it...
Johannes Oswaldt
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| Fabio | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 12:19 PM | Message # 28 |
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| Quote (Senator_Ordan) Nobody should have the "right" to kill children for any reason. Nobody should have the right to kill anyone. And I vote In favor.
Fabio Riada. King of Anobis.
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| Johannes_Oswaldt | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 12:28 PM | Message # 29 |
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| Quote And I vote In favor. THank you senator Riada. We've had our differences but youve cleaned yourself up and done the right thing here. This isnt the first bill ive proposed to protect children the best way I know how and it wont be the last. mabye we can work together on similar bills in the future too
Johannes Oswaldt
Senator and Governor of Eriadu
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Tuesday, 18 Jan 2011, 1:30 PM | Message # 30 |
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| I see no issue with this. Druckenwell is pro-choice, of course, but abortion is only allowed within the first trimester. There are cases in which abortion should be acceptable, such as if a human woman is raped by an alien or some such. If Governor Oswaldt was willing to throw in such an amendment, I could find my vote likely to be in favor.
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