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| LordZarcaine | Date: Wednesday, 28 Sep 2011, 11:12 PM | Message # 1 |
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| The following Bill is a labor of love and sweat. In the recent days since the introduction of a new Capital Vessel Act, and the many voices that have spoken out against the confussion that it brings and the twisting of words with its claims of no more bureaucracy, yet at the very same the ability to bind so many hands in red tape, it became very clear that what was needed, was not yet another Capital Vessel Act that already causes problems, what we needed was Freedom. The Freedom of a Bill that would give us an understanding of what it was and what it did, not tie our minds together with confussion and pitfalls. We needed a Bill that will tell us what is what, not one that tells us that up is down, down is left, and left is a Rancor.
Today this Bill that I have introduce before the Senate will give us that very Freedom, the freedom from aneurysms and sleepless nights of doubt and worry that the Capital Vessel Acts seemed to have caused in so many people. The Vessel Classification Bill tells us what we can expect, with out the back alley wording and the twists and turns that have so filled the Capital Vessel Acts. This Bill is here to help us regulate vessels in a more timely and orderly fashion, to cut through the swath of annoyances that have been pushed onto the galaxy by the Capital Vessel Acts.
The Bill below is simple in its construction, each sentence down to the bare form of what is needed. There are no extra words to cover up what they mean, and to bog our thoughts down into a mire. Each sentence tells us all what to expect, what this Bill will do, and what it will not do. The Bill is a simple one, it places regulations on the Manufactures of Capital Vessels and Ships, yet it does not penalize them, it in fact encourages them to seek out contracts among the Imperial Navy, as they continue to build ships. It gives worlds incentives to dearm their fleets, as well as regulates the more dangerous weapons that we have seen in the past many years. The Bill creates a register to keep track of all ships that have been legally purchased, as well as tell us what ships are legal, and which are illegal based on a simple description of each Class that a Vessel may be placed into. This Bill will ease the thoughts of many, and lift the burden off of the people, upon which the Capital Vessel Acts have placed those burdens. The Vessel Classification Bill also informs the people what a Diplomatic Mission is, in its many forms, as to inform the people of the many ways that they can help one another to strengthen each world and create a stronger Empire, not only for today, but for tomorrow as well.
A Bill to Classify Vessels and Regulate the Possession and Conduct of Sales of Said Vessels, etc.
Section I: All Planetary and Sector Governments, as well as Corporate Boards are to register a list of their vessels with the Defense Committee to be put on record.
Sub-Section A: It is the Responsibility of each Planetary and Sector Government, as well as Corporate Boards to inform the Defense Committee of any changes to their registered list, due to, yet not limited to, commissions or purchase of new vessels, sale of a vessel, or decommissioning o a vessel, to keep the records orderly and accurate.
Sub-Section B: Any vessel that is not registered is liable to be confiscated at the discretion of the Defense Committee.
Section II: All shipyards are required to register their designs with the the Imperial Bureau of Shipyards and Construction.
Sub-Section A: The the Imperial Bureau of Shipyards and Construction will have the right to deny production of any design, military or civilian in its purpose.
Section III: This bill will create a Sub-Committee that will operate directly under the the Imperial Bureau of Shipyards and Construction, for the sole purpose to specifically deal with the needed regulations and registrations of this bill, as they apply to the territories of the Outer Rim.
Section IV: Shipyards may manufacture the following vessel classes; Carrier, Battleship, Star Dreadnought, Star Battlecruiser, Cruiser, Battlecruiser, Missile Cruiser, Bulk Cruiser, Destroyer, Star Destroyer, Star Frigate, Interdictor, Military Scout Vessel, Dropship, or Gunship, provided that the following regulations are followed.
Sun-Section A: A contract from the Imperial Navy has been obtained, and must be produced upon request
Sub-Section B: A contract from a Planetary Government, approved by the Defense Committee is obtained, and must be produced upon request.
Sub-Section C: An exception will be made to "Proto-Type Vessels." A Proto-Type Vessel being the first run of a new line of Vessels. This single first run of the Vessel line will be permitted, provided that it does not enter immediate mass production until all design, system, engine, etc etc flaws have been dealt with, and pending review of the "Proto-Type Vessel" and approval, a proper contract is given to the Shipyard for production of said vessel.
Section V: Shipyards may continue to manufacture the following vessel classes without a contract; Light Cruisers (No larger than 200 meters in length), Corvettes, Frigates, Starfighters, Bombers, Interceptors, Shuttles, Civilian Scout Ships, Freighters and Yachts.
Sub-Section A: Worlds with large shipyards that have seen a decline in business due to the Capital Vessel Act(s) or will see a decline due to this bill will be entitled to a 3% Reimbursement of their yearly average sales earnings for no less than 11 Years.
Sub-Section B: This bill will repeal both Capital Vessel Acts and replace them.
Section VI: Private ownership of Capital Vessels will be permitted pending the following conditions.
Sub-Section A: It will be illegal to own; Carriers, Battleships, Star Dreadnoughts, Star Battlecruisers, Cruiser, Battlecruisers, Missile Cruisers, Bulk Cruisers, Destroyers, Star Destroyers, Star Frigates, Interdictor, Military Scout Vessels, Dropships, or Gunships.
Sub-Section B: It will be legal to own; Light Cruisers (No larger than 200 meters in length), Corvettes, Frigates, Starfighters, Interceptors, Bombers, Shuttles, Civilian Scout Ships, Freighters and Yachts.
Minor Section a: No Civilian Vessel shall be modified with the sole purpose of turning that Vessel into a Capital Class Vessel
Section VII: Corporations will be permitted to purchase, maintain, and opperate Capital Class Vessels.
Sub-Section A: No Capital Class Vessel may be over 200 meters unless; approved by the Defense Committee or due to Sub-Section B
Sub-Section B: Corporations will be permitted to purchase, maintain, and operate one Capital Class Vessel of 500 meters, per every Twenty-Four Capital Class Vessels in their fleet.
Minor Section a: An Imperial Liaison Officer of Rank no lower than O-6 will be stationed on each 500 meter Vessel.
Minor Section b: In a time of crisis, said liaison officer retains the right to take command until the crisis is over.
Minor Section c: Any vessel 500 meters in the Corporate Fleet will not be armed with any laser based weapon larger than a Light Turbolaser Cannon.
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Minor Section d: Any vessel 500 meters in the Corporate Fleet will have no more than a total of six missile, torpedo, or general purpose launcher tubes installed as their primary armament.
Section VIII: Planetary Governments will be encouraged to decommission their vessels at the end of their operational life and not rearm.
Sub-Section A: Those planets that do not rearm will receive a 10% Tax Cut.
Section IX: Orbital Mines will be permitted, provided the following regulations are followed.
Sub-Section A: No mine that is deployed will exceed 50 meters in size.
Sub-Section B: Mines are not and will not be permitted to be deployed in a Time of Peace; Unless those mines are in a clearly marked zone to prevent any accidental loss of life.
Sub-Section C: No mine field shall inhibit the normal flow of “Traffic”
Sub-Section D: It is the responsibility of those who first deployed the mines to disarm and clean up those mines that have not been detonated.
Section X: No vessel will obtain, use, posses, arm, or in any way contain a Nuclear, Anti-Matter, Neutron, Atomic Compression, Radiation or other Ordinance or Armament that would or could cause any form of fallout or Irreparable damage to the area of effect around the original blast point of the weapon.
Section XI: This bill would not affect Diplomatic Vessels on Diplomatic Missions.
Sub-Section A: Diplomatic mission(s) include, yet are not limited to the scope of providing Relief Aid, Agricultural Advising, Transfer of Hard currencies to
Worlds damaged during the Clone Wars, Reconstruction Efforts, Aid and Relocating of Refugees, Etc. Etc.
Sub-Section B: It will be Illegal for any vessel to use the guise of a Diplomatic Mission to cover criminal activities, such as Smuggling, Illegal Blockades, Piracy, Acts of Covert Operations, Etc. Etc.
Section XII: All Refugee Vessels will be unaffected by this bill, following the provided regulations.
Sub-Section A: The Refugee Vessel in question must be registered to a Non-Profit Organization.
Sub-Section B: The Non-Profit Organization must be established for no less than 3 Months.
Section XIII:: All Medical Vessels of the Pediatric Medical Center, and all Medical Vessels will be unaffected by this bill.
Section XIV: No Planetary Government shall place any Civilian, Trade, Military, Research, Science or Other Orbital Station in orbit around another planet without;
Sub-Section A: Having first consulted with and received the blessing of that world’s government.
Sub-Section B: Having first consulted the Defense Committee if that world is deemed hostile.
Sub-Section C: Imperial Stations are the only stations that will not be affected.
Section XV: Planetary Governments may place any style of station in “unclaimed: space that has not previously been claimed.
Sub-Section A: Upon Placing the Station, the owner(s) must register it with the Defense Committee
Sub-Section B: Planetary Governments may place a station near a world’s border of space, provided that the station is at least 25 meters from the border.
Section XVI: The Following will from this point on describe the many Vessels that fill the Galaxy, from Planetary Government Fleets, Sector Fleets, Civilian Vessels and all other manner of vessels that one may see traveling the many shipping lanes and various systems.
Section XVII: Carrier
- A carrier is a type of military starship specifically designed to focus on the transportation of small starships. They are generally considered separate from the warship, any vessel honed to be a weapons-platform on its own. The term carrier can be divided into two main types: dedicated carriers, generally with few weapons and weak shielding, the other type being warships which also have a substantial capacity for carrying starfighters.
Section XVIII: Battleship
- Battleship is a name widely used for types of capital ship. Often, it is reserved as a term for the largest and strongest warships in a navy, broadly comparable with dreadnought, but sometimes, smaller vessels in the same navy are described as performing the duties of a peace-keeping battleship. At times, it is synonymous with "warship" and simply describes larger combat ships.
Sub-Section A: Star Dreadnought
- Star Dreadnought, sometimes spelled Star Dreadnaught, is a formal designation for some of the largest and strongest battleships in the starfleets of regionaland galactic governments. Various classes of Star Dreadnoughts are known to have served in the Kuat Drive Yards defense fleets, their sizes eclipsed most conventional warships, peaking with at 19 km in length, as well as with their unequaled mass and weaponry.
Sub-Section B: Star Battlecruiser
- Star Battlecruiser is a formal designation for a certain type of large battle cruiser that serves in the Kuat sectorial defense fleets. Their size and power overshadowed that of contemporary Star Destroyer designs and is comparable to that of contemporary Star Dreadnoughts, though the largest of the latter type of warship were designed to be more powerful than any known capital ships.
Section XIX:Cruiser
- Cruiser is a designation of starship class, which include a wide variety of uses. The term star cruiser is often used as an alternate term. Throughout naval history, it was used for some of the largest and most common warships in a given fleet, but alternate designations like Star Cruiser were also applied. Ships that were designated with other names were also often referred to as cruisers.
In at least one classification system, cruisers can be divided into three categories: light, medium and heavy. The light cruisers are at the lower end of the cruiser interval, around 350-400 meters, medium cruisers between 400 and 500 meters, and heavy cruisers 600 meters and beyond. The alternate designation of battlecruiser is also used for some ships in the same size brackets.
Sub-Section A: Battlecruiser
- Battlecruiser or battle cruiser is a formal designation usually reserved for the largest and strongest warships in a fleet, that are not battleships. In informal use, it was often reserved for various types of warships, along with "cruiser". Most battlecruisers differ from battleships by being slightly smaller in size and having less armor, sacrificing it to attain greater speed.
Due to different cultural norms and design-capabilities, some vessels bare the designation of "battlecruiser" while serving as frigate-analogs on a galactic scale. Some battlecruiser models go by the alternate designation of "Star Battlecruiser".
Sub-Section B: Missile Cruiser
- Missile cruiser is a term used to describe any vessel belonging to one of the myriad of cruiser classes whose primary armament consiste of physical projectiles rather than energy weapons. For example, some variants of the Consular-class space cruiser were modified to serve as missile cruisers.
Sub-Section C: Light Cruiser
- Light Cruiser is a designation used for a variety of capital ships and warships in different classification systems. Some light cruisers can range from 42 meters, for example, the Warden-class light cruiser and Guardian-class light cruiser, and can range up to 400 meters in length.
Sub-Section D: Bulk Cruiser
- A Bulk Cruiser is a capital ship design that combines attributes of both warships and cargo haulers. The term can be used to describe a number of ships that fit the general characteristics. Bulk Cruisers are often kept as patrol vessels, guarding systems where important assets are to be found. In addition, these ships are used to combat pirate-attacks on convoys.
Section XX: Destroyer
- Destroyer is a formal designation usually reserved for the medium-sized warships in a fleet, below that of cruiser and battleship. Often, these vessels are similar to small cruisers and can operate in flotillas or independently. Many classes are highly versatile and are capable of functioning as peacekeeping battleships in localized conflicts, as well as being escorts for larger vessels.
Sub-Section A: Star Destroyer
- Star Destroyer is a term used to describe both a certain type of medium-sized capital ship, as well as heavily armed warships in general. The term originated with the idea of a warship powerful enough to destroy entire star systems, and did not necessarily indicate a destroyer type vessel. Despite this, most designated Star Destroyers are analogous with other destroyer designs and are sometimes referred to as destroyers themselves.
Section XXI: Corvette
- The corvette is any class of warship that are typically small, fast, maneuverable and relatively lightly-armed. Generally large enough to be considered a capital ship but smaller than a frigate, corvettes fill a variety of roles that range from picket duty within large fleets to system defense and convoy escort.
Corvettes fill a comparatively inexpensive gap in the capital ship range. They are suitable for dealing with any ships smaller than themselves, and though they are not effective against larger ships without support, many are famous for outrunning and escaping them, thanks to their exceptional speed and maneuverability for a capital ship.
Section XXII: Frigate
- A frigate is a type of military spaceship typically denoting a capital ship designed to serve in a skirmishing role to protect larger ships, or more generally, a ship designed to serve in some sort of support role.
These vessels are armed to defend themselves effectively against smaller and more maneuverable warships, and with a limited attack capacity against larger capital ships; they are often deployed in small groups to protect larger vessels.
Some frigate types, are specifically designed to support larger warships, but others are intended primarily to defend unarmed freighters and transports
Sub-Section A: Star Frigate
- Any vessel which fits the category of a large frigate used by space fleets to support larger warships. Their roles generally include fighting starfighters, crippling a larger ship, or finishing off an enemy capital ship.
Star frigates are noted as being a light warship with oversized guns and redundant power-systems, which contribute to their power in combat. Many in this category are specifically used as Anti-Starfighter Frigates.
Section XXIII: Interdictor
- Interdictor is an appellation given to several classes of capital ship capable of generating an interdiction field. The gravity wells mimick a large mass in space and thus restricted hyperspace travel. Nearby vessels are automatically prevented from engaging their hyperdrive, and any ship passing through the area via hyperspace are forced into realspace.
Section XXIV: Starfighter
- A starfighter is any small, maneuverable starship designed for military combat. The majority of starfighters are piloted directly by living beings, although some are capable of being controlled remotely or by artificial intelligence. These light craft are designed to carry out attacks on sensitive installations and targets that required immense precision.
In fleet battle, starfighters work in concert with capital ships, harassing warships and striking once their shields weakened, failed or are re-aligned due to enemy capital ship-fire. Alone, fighters have little to no chance of penetrating the shields of capital ships, but most starfighters work in squadrons and carry weapons like proton torpedoes and concussion missiles. These squadrons are capbale of taking out a large capital ship with precision fire.
Sub-Section A: Interceptors
- Interceptors are fast and maneuverable starfighters. They are designed specifically to target, hunt down, and destroy enemy fighters and bombers, hence the name interceptor, and thus are generally unsuited to carrying heavy bombing payloads. Interceptors can also be used for reconnaissance due to their high speed.
Sub-Section B: Bombers
- Bombers (occasionally called starbombers) are starfighters specifically designed for use against well armored, often large or immobile targets, such as capital ships, space stations, and buildings. There are comparatively few types of starfighter found in a pure bombing role, since many less specialized fighters are versatile enough to attack both other fighters and larger or more heavily armored targets.
Most bombers employ some type of projectile weapon, such as proton bombs, concussion missiles, proton torpedoes, or thermal detonators to attack their targets, rather than energy weapons such as blasters. For best effectiveness against defended targets, bombers are escorted by other, nimbler starfighters. For protection against point-defense vessels such as anti-fighter corvettes, they are sometimes accompanied by support spacecraft such as frigates which provide cover as they close on their objectives.
Section XXV: Gunship
- The term gunship describes a variety of vessels. The term is used for small troop deployment and attack carriers or for small capital ships. The capital ship variety are generally heavily armed for their size and built explicitly for ship-to-ship engagements, while the smaller variety generally combined infantry deployment and close combat support for ground forces.
Section XXVI: Dropship
- A dropship (or drop ship) is any craft designed to transport infantry, droids, supplies, or vehicles to the surface of a planet, either for peaceful purposes or in the case of planetary assaults. Dropships are commonly deployed from starships incapable of atmospheric flight or landing. Most dropships lack hyperdrives and boast relatively few armaments or defenses.
Section XXVII: Shuttle
- A shuttle is any small craft used to transport personnel, usually at least partially through space. Many different types of shuttles exist. Some are designed only to carry people from a planet's orbit to its surface, or from one larger ship to another located nearby. However, many shuttles are fitted with their own hyperdrives and can thus travel great distances. Military shuttles used for the collection or delivery of troops are usually referred to as troop shuttles or troop transports.
Section XXVIII: Scout Ship
- A Scout vessel, or scout starship, is any starship used either for commercial and scientific exploration, or for military intelligence gathering and reconnaissance.
Sub-Section A: Civilian scout vessels
- Civilian scouts pilot a wide variety of vessels. Some fly ordinary light freighters, while others fly specialized ships designed for reliability, increased sensor ranges, and long trips. Scouts working for large corporations or governments often have new ships with the latest technology, while independent scouts often fly ships which are decades, or even centuries, old.
Sub-Section B: Military scout vessels
- Military scout vessels are, unsurprisingly, more heavily armed than civilian models. Of course, some civilian scout vessels are military surplus, and some civilian scout vessels are used for military purposes. Some military scout vessels are large enough to be considered capital ships.
Section XXIX: Freighters
- Freighter (or barge) is the term given to any spacecraft that is used to transport freight or cargo (such as parts and supplies). Both legitimate businesspersons and smugglers can be found captaining such transports. Freighters usually travel with hyperdrives.
Sub-Section A: Trade
- For obvious reasons, freighters are used mainly for trade. Although very few fought in great battles, many freighters did see action. Smugglers and legitimate traders alike have had some tangles now and then, but freighters are often armed and shielded so that they can resist attempts on their cargo.
Section XXX: Yacht
- Yacht is the term given to any starship or aquatic vehicle used primarily for recreational purposes. Most yachts are similar in size to light freighters, though a few are as large as small capital ships. They tend to be fairly expensive vessels, with highly luxurious accommodations. As they tend to be relatively fast ships, some yachts are employed by smugglers, though they usually have less cargo capacity than dedicated freighters.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Wednesday, 28 Sep 2011, 11:28 PM | Message # 2 |
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| It seems to me that there is a great excess of confusion as well as a great excess of bills regarding vessels that are intended to supplant one another.
Assuming I were to even consider voting for this measure, Section IV would need to be changed or removed. Part of a product line is the first model, which must be created to show off and test said designs. Therefore, at least one vessel must be produced without contract.
Secondly, Section IX; Subsection-B is something I disagree with. A minefield is a cheap and easy way to protect one's assets without the need for static defenses, or even to supplement static defenses if need be. I see no reason to prevent mining areas of space provided it is approved by a planetary government and clearly marked.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Wednesday, 28 Sep 2011, 11:48 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Senator Domon, allow me to place your mind at rest, and to ease your worries that you may have of this Bill. I understand that many Vessels first start off as an idea, often at times popping into ones mind, or being quickly scribbled down on a napkin, or datapad, or even a wall with out second thought, least the design fade away and evade you. With that said, you will find that no Section, Sub-Section or Minor Section was added that excluded "Proto-type Vessels" of a new Vessel from being crafted as a first show concept for a new line, as it is understandable that Shipyards across the galaxy would be building "Proto-type Vessels." You find that Section IV is specific and means exactly what is says, as it was crafted to deal with the mass production of a Vessel Class, rather than the first run of a single Vessel, that often at times have their own problems that require them to remain in drydock for many months, even years, as technicians work out all the kinks of a new design. Section IV would have no effect on a shipyards ability or freedom to create a first draft of a "Proto-type Vessel."
As for Section IX; Sub-Section B, I must ask you Seantor Domon, are mines really necessary in a time of Peace. Must we have them sitting about, considering how many are "Fire and Forget" in their application, and others suffer from target discrimination. What will we tell the people when a stranded vessel strays too close to a minefield because its engines have been damanged, or its lost power due to some malfunction, and the mine percieves it as a threat, causing the loss of lives. It is our responsibility to help keep the people safe, and that is exactly what the Sub-Section B of Section IX does, it keeps mines out of the way to prevent any mishap or accidental loss of life from happening.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 0:53 AM | Message # 4 |
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| I thank you for the clarification of prototype vessels, Representative.
Tell me something, Representative Zarcaine, if Sluis Van chooses to erect a minefield to protect its shipyards, in a zone clearly marked for civilian vessels to avoid, is that so unreasonable? Static defenses from the smallest gun emplacement to the mighty Golan platforms are all manned and, unlike a ship, the crews cannot easily flee. Mines remove that manned necessity. Mines can be switched on and off in very little time with a remote transmitter. I would say that their capacity for defense is better even than a manned station in some ways as they lack the capacity for human error.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 1:03 AM | Message # 5 |
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| You do make a good arguement for the use of mines. As you will see, I have added to that exact Sub-Section to allow for mines during Times of Peace, provided that they are placed in a clearly marked area to prevent the acidental loss of life. While I personally would wish to see no mines deployed during a time of peace, as you have said, they do have their pros, that may out weight their cons. I would just hope that the Sluis Van would keep a close eye out for any disabled ship that is straying too close to the mine field.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 2:06 AM | Message # 6 |
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| It would seem you are open to suggestion, Representative. Might I add then, that it would go a good way towards securing the vote of many shipbuilders, if you would add in Section IV a specific allowance of prototype vessels.
Furthermore, Section VII, Subsection-B, is simply outrageous. I can think of few private corporations that have need for twelve capital military-grade vessels, much less a single five-hundred meter vessel for every twelve. I would feel far better if this were a higher number; perhaps one for every twenty-four?
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Verence_Terrawin | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 3:47 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Senators..
If anyone ever thought the Capital Vessels Act was bureaucratic... By providence this Act takes inefficiency to a whole new level!
A few of the catastrophically bad highlights in this Act taking awful legislation to a meteoric new level.
Minor Section b: It will be appropriate for the Vjun delegation to be addressed in the terms of leg wear. - This is just stupid and an attempt to literally make an insult to Vjun in actual law. This makes a complete farce of the whole bill and highlights it as nothing more than a bad joke.
This act prohibits and inhibits the placement of Orbital Mines which many planets use and require for their defense. This is an act to hurt those small worlds and prevent them defending themselvees from attack. This is a patently awful idea. What is the point in minefields if they are clearly known? It should be up to a world where and when it places its orbital defenses - It is no business of the Senator of the Cronese Mandate to dictate policy as to the placement of our defenses.
It hands out ill explained tax cuts with no explanation of how they are to be paid for. For the senators who have called for a balanced budget this should be a particularly atrocious piece of legislation. This is an act to endanger each and every one of our lives foolishly.
No to bureaucracy. No to inefficiency. No to this Act. As Senator Veritas has said - regulations must be simple and easy to understand, you have made the most complex and bureaucratic act ever seen in this Chamber and it will not even act to protect anyone but to endanger our citizens and tie up the already overworked Defense Committee in another layer of bureaucracy! I can only vote against it.
Verence Terrawin
Senator of Alsakan
First Lord of the Foreign Office, Alsakan
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 3:57 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Beings of the Chamber.
Come now! Let us support this Act. It rightly takes all the power from our local Sector and Planetary rulers and brings it back to Imperial Center. I am always in favour of centralizing power and this certainly does it with a vengeance.
Lets be honest, what do local leaders and governors know about Capital Ships? Nothing, lets take this away the powers of all these little worlds noone cares about and bring the power back to Imperial Center. This is an act which will allow the expansion of the Anaxsi Fleet to unheard of new levels, and with our new vessels we will continue to secure the peace of the Empire into the future.
I (for once) like the cut of Senator Zarcaine's Agenda. Damn the small worlds, Damn the small Government, Let the boys on Imperial Center do what they do best, Govern.
Might makes right, and I look forward thanks to this act to having a great deal more military might at the disposal of my person. No a massive fan of the huge cash handouts to people who don't deserve them, but that won't prejudice me against the bill.
More ships, more guns, less rules, less local government, less sector government, more power with the Empire!? That is literally what I fantasize about at night. I furthermore look forward to bringing my new ships to crush any alien scum worlds who have the audacity to not share my opinion on this Act.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 4:07 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Senator Ordan, are you on the spice?
I daresay I may be a 'local leader,' but I know a goodly bit about vessels of numerous types. The last thing I believe Anaxes needs is more military might, and of course, you presume to threaten 'alien scum worlds' who don't share your opinion? Not only are you a speciest, but you're also power mad. You also seem to be against planetary government? So you aren't a believer in freedom? Senator, I would ask you to temper your words before a censure is called.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 4:17 AM | Message # 10 |
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| Senator Domon,
I am against planetary Government. I do not believe in freedom and that is why I believe in this act. I believe men (and all beings also) are essentially animals of passion and irrationality and I believe that it is only through power being taken away from the worlds and brought to Imperial Center where orders are issued from high that they can be tamed. I love big government so long as it is Imperial Government, and so I like this act.
I should clarify, when I say crush I mean befriend and teach the error of their ways in a loving, compassionate and fraternal manner. You have the misfortune to be born an Alien, but I am afraid that is the way the cards were dealt.
This Act allows Anaxes to build a vastly greater fleet so that it might seek to bring in line recalcitrant worlds. Through the use of military force and coercion we will help strengthen the Empire. I do not see why you shipbuilding Aliens would object? I am told Slussi's just care about money and shipbuilding, this act should give you some contracts.. Isn't that good? All it asks is the small cost of power being taken away from local authorities and being taken to Imperial Center, come now - Most rimward leaders can't even read a book, what rights should they have about Capital ships?
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| Toben-Domon | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 4:27 AM | Message # 11 |
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| Ha! As if anyone here would believe you want to 'befriend and teach the error of their ways' to aliens. Your version of compassion and love towards non-humans would be a blaster to the skull, as likely as not. Even if what you say is true about all beings as animals of passion and irrationality, don't you condemn the Imperial government just the same? The Moffs, the aides, the governors, all of them are also human. Therefore, what you describe cannot exist, unless it is within your mind.
Sluis Van cares deeply about all beings, great and small, alien or human. We build ships, yes. Our ships may have arms and weapons terrible, but we believe in defense. We do not believe in utilizing military strength or threats to force people to see things a certain way. Whether or not this act gains us contracts is not the issue here, nor does Sluis Van care.
Toben Domon
Senator, Sluis Van
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 4:33 AM | Message # 12 |
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| The Empire is an exception. It is an institution of the enlightened, the wise and the just. Much better they have the power than the many morons and aliens who rule worlds and sectors away from the Core. Imperial Center is a city on a hill, a place of noble and patrician administrators. I say give them more power, take the power from the regions and planets, give it to them and we will have enlightened government under the Emperor's auspices.
What is wrong with Anaxes and other loyalists having more ships? Feel your alien infested docks threatened...? I digress. This act will allow us to strengthen our fleet and increase the level of foreign interventions we make against those who are disloyal to us or the Empire.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 4:39 AM | Message # 13 |
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| Oh, come off it Ordan. You picking on aliens gets old rather quickly. I'd sooner spend a month in a room with Governor Oswaldt than ten minutes in the finest restaurant listening to you blather. Yes, yes, we all love the Emperor and the Empire, but Imperial Center, sad to say, is as corrupt as any place. Constant vigilance is what keeps the Empire running, not your rambling rhetoric.
By all means though, if the power is going to be given to Imperial Center, then I say Anaxes should be the first to give is up, seeing as how supportive it is. Furthermore, Ordan, I'd say perhaps if people are corrupt and untrustworthy, then let all Anaxian vessels have their crews dismissed and replaced by those handpicked by the Imperial Navy. I see no reason to allow such corrupt immoral people to have such weapons of destruction.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 4:46 AM | Message # 14 |
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| I would do whatever my Emperor wished as a humble and loyal servant.
Now, come Senator Ryuun, lets bring the power home to Imperial Center - surely you dont want to see the Governors (who may be aliens) have any power over enforcement? Lets shaft these Aliens and protect the power of the Human. Once this act passes I will expand my fleet and use it humanely and caringly to better the wellbeing of these unfortunates... Let it be brought to Imperial Center where it may operate under the eyes of the Emperor's benevolent gaze.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Senator of the Azure Sector
Foreign Minister of Anaxes
Captain-General of the Azure Interest Protection Squadron
Deputy Chairman of the Ethics Committee
Worshipful Master of the Most Loyal and Honourable Company of Blockadeers
Archtreasurer of the Vault of Pols Anaxes
Autocrat of Selgon
Owner of Azure Durasteel
Systems Admiral (Ret)
Order of the Canted Circle
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 4:52 AM | Message # 15 |
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Lieutenant general
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| Unlike you, Senator, I have no real dislike of aliens. They are different and strange in some cases, but that isn't to say they can't govern well, or they can't run a business. Sluis Van, if I may use as an example, is a shining member of the Empire who produces vessels for the common good. If this act passes, I believe I will use my vessels to humanely and kindly aid those who you will no doubt bring mass misfortune upon.
Let me be blunt, Senator: I don't trust you. I don't trust you further than I could throw you and I wouldn't particularly want to touch you to even lift you. We already operate under the Emperor's kindly gaze, and we keep our homes and planets safe on our watch so his men and able-bodied workers can do the larger part. We don't need to make their jobs harder.
Lomen Ryuun
Senator, Doldur Sector
Senator, Druckenwell
Representative, Monor II (10 BBY - 9 BBY)
Representative, Geridard
Representative, Boranall
Representative, Therenor Prime
Vice-chairman, Defense Committee (Temporarily suspended)
Controlling Shareholder - Druckenwell Arms Corporation
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