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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 4:57 AM | Message # 16 |
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| "Just support the act so I can expand my damned fleet!" he said in a raised voice. "You insubordinate little man from the rim. My tailor has a lineage longer and greater than your whole planet. We have breeding in the Core man, breeding. And that is something the Rim does not understand."
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 5:01 AM | Message # 17 |
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| If you have breeding in the Core, Senator Ordan, it apparently missed your bloodline by several million parsecs. As for your tailor, I pity the man if he has to deal with such petty problems as you cause. Either way, if I do choose to vote in favor of this act, it will be for my own reasons and not for your false dreams.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 5:03 AM | Message # 18 |
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| Excellent. Supporting more power on Imperial Center. Thats what I like to see. Now move along Senator.
Senator Hubert Ordan
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 5:11 AM | Message # 19 |
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| Senator Ryuun.
I need more time to scrutinize the bill before deciding how to vote but I must urge you not to vote in favour until the following article is removed.
"Minor Section b: It will be appropriate for the Vjun delegation to be addressed in the terms of leg wear."
As Senator Terrawin highlights it is a bad joke and we cannot afford to humiliate the Empire by attempting to put bad jokes into law.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 5:14 AM | Message # 20 |
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| Oh, of course I would not support it with such a preposterous notion within, Senator Oriel. I meant portions of the bill without the snide commentary thrown in.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 5:18 AM | Message # 21 |
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| So you withdraw your vote until its removal?
I honestly wish to be able to support good bills to protect the Empire (I don't know if it is one or not yet). But I know for a fact I cannot support bills which pointlessly insult members simply for past disagreements. I also am frankly concerned that Senator Ordan supports this Act quite so much vigor... But as I say I will require a day to scrutinize the non-insulting parts of the Act.
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
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Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LomenRyuun | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 5:20 AM | Message # 22 |
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| If you'd note, Senator Oriel, I never voted one way or another. For the moment, I have abstained to vote though.
As for the not-so-good Senator of Anaxes... I would say he needs to appear before the Ethics Committee.
Lomen Ryuun
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 5:45 AM | Message # 23 |
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| Apologies Senator Ryuun. I do not believe that the Ethics Committee would be able to find anything to patch on him which would stick. I am quite sure that swish Coreward eplomb gives him a teflon coating in that respect.
I must say another matter for grave concern to me is the fact it seems to allow unlimited aggressive fleets.. In a galaxy where we all had equal funds it would be all very well - but in one where some are more powerful than others this act seems to encourage the building of huge fleets of vessels to allow people like Ordan free range.
I must agree with Senator Terrawin about mines and orbital defenses.. what right does Senator Zarcaine have to restrict where we place them? I am worried that in the cause of liberalizing the system he is creating a much more restrictive and dark system. I do worry that the path to hell is being paved with good intentions.
This does seem like we are creating a huge amount of work as regard enforcement but I will not vote until I hear other opinions, I don't want to be closed minded.
What does the Defense Council think? Who would hold this register of where mines were placed?
Bernard Oriel
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 9:30 AM | Message # 24 |
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| In the regards to Senator Domon's further suggestions, he will find that a Sub-Section C was added to Section IV, that deals specifically with the construction of new "Proto-Type Vessels" outlining the clear understanding that they are indeed, often the first run of a new line that many may wish to purchase. Sub-Section C of Seation IV will allow for the construction of such "Proto-Type Vessels" provided that they are not put into immedate mass production, we wouldn't want the Imperial Navy testing a new ship only to find it falling apart under their boots. I have also increased the number of vessels stated in Section VII; Sub-Section B to the suggested number of Twenty-Four vessels, rather than the previous number of Tweleve that was initally stated.
Others will find that Minor Section b has been removed, although I do worry now that the Senate will not be able to comment on Senator Oriel's fancy pants, yet I believe that is a burden that we all can bear to deal with.
As to the continued concern on the limitations of the placement of mines. While I do understand that many worlds in the Outer Rim and in other locations use Mines as a defense, I would merely like to ensure that they are used properly and without the worry of an unwanted incident, which would cause displeasure among the citizens of that world, should such a tragedy occure. I am merely trying to advocate the proper use of mines, by clearly marking the borders of the mine field for civilian craft, of course I'm sure such a system exist that would lower such warnings in the event of a hostile force arriving at the world. I also advocate that the mines be clear of any point of ingress, egress and regress that a Civilian ship may take. These established corridors of travel should be clear of mines to prevent any incident from occuring that could result in the tragic loss of life.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
Lord of Chandaar
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 11:22 AM | Message # 25 |
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| "although I do worry now that the Senate will not be able to comment on Senator Oriel's fancy pants"
How old is the Senator from the Cronese Mandate?
Why can't I control access to my world as I choose?
Bernard Oriel
Senator for the Planet of Vjun
1st Earl Malreaux (Second Creation)
Vjun Delegation to the Imperial Senate
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| LordZarcaine | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 11:40 AM | Message # 26 |
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| Senator Oriel, it is not that one should not be allowed to control access to their world, I merely question are mines really needed to control access to the planet, when a ship would be a much more easier means of controling access to a world. If you notice, I am not in fact discouraging the use of mines, I am trying to ensure the safety of the people that will inevitably end up in the vincinity of the mines in question. It is for them that the Section was added, to ensure their safety from any possible incident or accident that may occure.
Lord Zarcaine Kuriyoshi
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| Jamie_the_Hutt | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 11:45 AM | Message # 27 |
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| Bernard_Oriel | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 11:46 AM | Message # 28 |
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| Vjun is a controlled area. It is marked on astrographic charts as such, no vessels are allowed to our world without authorization. Why should we not be allowed mines within our controlled area? Why should we list routes to our world? To invite in pirates?
Also, does the Cronese Mandate have no concern that this allows members massive fleets to unleash upon one another?
Bernard Oriel
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| Exar_Ray | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 2:09 PM | Message # 29 |
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| I have noticed one thing, Senator. This bill targets larger planets with ship yards and the ability to purchase bigger vessels, as well as corporations, but what about the smaller planets unable to afford heavy vessels. What are we guaranteed from this?
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| Senator_Ordan | Date: Thursday, 29 Sep 2011, 2:40 PM | Message # 30 |
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| *Ordan yawned theatrically.*
"Who cares. Small worlds are small worlds, they pay less tax. Frankly they simply matter less than large ones. Large worlds with large fleets are the best way forward. The Anaxsi Fleet for example rightly is many times more powerful than Dantooine because we are a superior breed to the inbred hicks in the Outer Rim. We pay the tax, we get the perks, its only fair. The rich deserve to enjoy their riches, the poor should aspire to being rich. Maybe one day you can hope to enjoy the perks we do, but until then do not expect our paying your way.
Let the rich do what they want with their money. Let the poor be damned I say. They may say "but we are too poor to defend ourselves" if you are too poor to compete then you should die. That is evolution, that is nature, that is the way of the universe. Survival of the fittest! That is what this act stands for."
Senator Hubert Ordan
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Autocrat of Selgon
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